Originally posted by Beniboybling
Pablo Hidalgo, a member of the Lucasfilm Story Group... is a non-canon author? Who knew. 😕
Yes, he's an author.
I guess if you want to take his opinions as gospel we might as well start using the Head-to-Head series. Lord knows all of those were infallible perfectly valid opinions, right? 🙂
And yes, author statements are still non canon sweetie, sorry.
Originally posted by ZenwolfI didn't say anything about human limitations. There are many examples of Force users failing to improve in any notable way over even longer periods.
Well Force Users aren't exactly bound by human limitations, they can learn/improve much faster.But if this is really what Canon is going for....then...yikes.
Originally posted by SelenialHe's a member of the Story Group lel, he authors Canon.
Yes, he's an author.I guess if you want to take his opinions as gospel we might as well start using the Head-to-Head series. Lord knows all of those were infallible perfectly valid opinions, right? 🙂
And yes, author statements are still non canon sweetie, sorry.
And Head-to-Head is a series of what if scenarios, i.e. non-continuity, nor necessarily representative of his personal views. But good to know your prepared to dismiss published source material as invalid when it doesn't suit your opinions. 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's a member of the Story Group lel, he authors Canon.And Head-to-Head is a series of what if scenarios, i.e. non-continuity, nor necessarily representative of his personal views. But good to know your prepared to dismiss published source material as invalid when it doesn't suit your opinions. 🙂
And his statements are still not Canon. Not sure what part of that you're not quite understanding 🙂
He's also the ****ing "Brand Communications Manager", what a top level position when it comes to determining Canon. Does their IT guy count as a canon source now? I hear he's a Talzin fan 🙄
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I didn't say anything about human limitations. There are many examples of Force users failing to improve in any notable way over even longer periods.
Name a single top tier Sith that atrophied in skill and force power while:
- Actively training and meditating
- Being in their combative prime, for a Force User
- Being a Rule of Two Sith Lord.
Pretty sure there isn't a single Sith who fits that list, outside of extenuating circumstances like temporary amps.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why when Dooku, Windu, Yoda & the like are?
There's a difference between no noticeable improvements (which is quite frankly debatable at best with those characters) and decreasing in skill. A prime implies areas before and after in which said character is not as strong as he is during his prime.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why when Dooku, Windu, Yoda & the like are?
Because it's not like Vader is lacking in his body's physicals or anything. What exactly is stopping him from improving on his technique? I mean fine, if Canon wants him to be this way....then ok I guess.
It's just, a whole of 3 fights doesn't really tell me much imo, when 2 of them are years after Rebels, post-ANH when he could have improved.
Originally posted by SelenialNot sure what part of this:
And his statements are still not Canon. Not sure what part of that you're not quite understanding 🙂
You're not getting either. mmm
That gives him the authority to well, determine Canon, which he does as a segment in every Rebels Recon. 😬
He's also the ****ing "Brand Communications Manager", what a top level position when it comes to determining Canon. Does their IT guy count as a canon source now? I hear he's a Talzin fan :roll eyes:Wow, did you really think this was relevant when you posted it? You're going senile.
Originally posted by SelenialImplies perhaps, but its not really necessary. Moreover the period of Vader's prime could conceivably be Rebels (or around then) onward.
There's a difference between no noticeable improvements (which is quite frankly debatable at best with those characters) and decreasing in skill. A prime implies areas before and after in which said character is not as strong as he is during his prime.
Originally posted by ZenwolfNot practicing much, not fighting many people? Being at the top of his game and having to make some serious innovations to get notably better? I think there is a point at which one becomes as good as one is going to get, unless your able to trigger some radical evolution in mentality, ability or otherwise put in a whole butt load of effort tbh. That's what it means to have your skills plateau.
Because it's not like Vader is lacking in his body's physicals or anything. What exactly is stopping him from improving on his technique? I mean fine, if Canon wants him to be this way....then ok I guess.It's just, a whole of 3 fights doesn't really tell me much imo, when 2 of them are years after Rebels, post-ANH when he could have improved.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not practicing much, not fighting many people? Being at the top of his game and having to make some serious innovations to get notably better? I think there is a point at which one becomes as good as one is going to get, unless your able to trigger some radical evolution in mentality, ability or otherwise put in a whole butt load of effort tbh. That's what it means to have your skills plateau.
Why wouldn't he practice?
But frankly I kinda need more than just a word that Rebels is his prime.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not sure what part of this:You're not getting either. mmm
That gives him the authority to well, determine Canon, which he does as a segment in every Rebels Recon. 😬
Wow, did you really think this was relevant when you posted it? You're going senile.
The story group decides what is and is not canon. They (notice the plural here) go through published and soon to be published material and determine what is canon and what needs to be removed. Even as a body, they do not themselves create canon material.
Ergo, a statement from a member of the story group is not canon, unless their statement is backed up by a canon source. They determine what sources are and are not canon, they themselves are not a canon source. They also must work as a group, not as a singular individual, so taking a single member of the Story Group's comment as canon is not viable at all.
And yes, his rank is relevant, I'd lend more weight to Chee than to Hidalgo, as Chee is quite clearly the ranking member of the story group.
At the end of the day, all Hidalgo's comment can be taken to mean by those who take his word as gospel, is that as it stands in current canon material, Rebels is Vader's prime. Should a new novel be released however that comes after Rebels and features Vader, said position would have to have been re-evaluated by the Story Group, and his previous statements should be rendered beyond irrelevant.
This differs entirely from a Canon quote, which would exist in the mythos until explicitly retconned.
As a side note, Hidalgo's quote shouldn't be taken (even by you) to apply to Composite Vader, as numerous individuals have tried to do over the past few weeks. Canon takes precedence, sure, but Hidalgo's quote is not literally Canon, and several quotes exist in Legends claiming Vader constantly improved.
Just a reminder, you've still yet to explain what Rebels being Vader's prime actually does for him in Current Canon.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Pretty sure Hidalgo doesn't even decide the head-to-head victors:
Well, thanks for the help in rendering his opinion beyond worthless, then.
He has substantial amounts of time to peruse a source before approving it, and still cannot justify or stand behind one of the conclusions made in it? That means he either has no authority to change things in the Story Group, or that he deems his own opinion less than that of "experts", or that he put so little effort into the published material that he didn't spot it.
None of which bode well for taking his word as gospel 🙂