Originally posted by Delta1938
Strange, it won't let me properly quote you. 😬
Weird, don't know why.
So he superficially matches Orion in the "supernatural talent" and is at best on par with Wolverine in stats.
Well, supernatural talent is a pretty superficial trait, if it's not backed up by actual feats. Which was my point, you were arguing that "on paper," Orion is more skilled than this entire team, so I showed someone with just as much "on paper" skill as him, being less skilled than Wolverine. Honestly, it's at least, not at best. Lazaer's strength was listed as one of his advantages over Wolverine.
That's pretty much all Valkyra has. She only has few other appearances that I can tell, and does basically nothing in them. The fight is at least a showing for her durability. Much of her skill is lip service(though the description of the fight and what Vykin's statements together are a bit more than just that). I do use this, but I'm more going on other stuff Orion's shown in addition to this than Zack seems to be. Like the fight with Darkseid, considering Darkseid's physically superior to Orion, and seems to be pretty skilled himself.
Right, that's what I figured. And again, if his skill had been mentioned as outmatching hers, it would have been worth bringing up, but the actual narration gave the credit to his returned ferocity.
And it's a great fight, but all of these guys have feats of going up against physically superior opponents with a lot of skill and winning. Nothing about that fight makes him "far more skilled than all of them combined," even in conjunction with his status of War God.
Let's assume all examples are speed(instead of Wolverine using a "ninja trick"😉. If all people have normal time perceptions, and require roughly the same amount of speed for someone to move faster than they can see, then yeah, it's not nearly as impressive as you're trying to argue, when we're talking about moving too fast for a normal human to see.
Him vanishing in plain sight is labeled a "ninja trick." Him outright moving so fast that nobody in front of him can see what happened is a speed feat.
Actually, I'm already familiar with this, and have read on the subject before. You seem to be misinterpreting your source, or didn't read all of it. I suggest you reread it. Especially the last paragraph, where it states, "This evidence supports the suggestion by Arstila that humans possess a specialized hormonal or neurophysiological mechanism for high-speed cognition; and that this is activated inadvertently by real fear of imminent violent death in accidents, emergencies, and certain extreme sports; [b]and may on some occasions be activated intentionally by individuals who have trained themselves to do so."Basically, scientists are trying to figure out why it does this. In fact, that part of the article also states, "This raises three questions. Firstly, why is this mechanism only turned on occasionally? Presumably, it has high metabolic costs or side effects which reduce biological fitness if it is activated continually. Secondly, if some individuals have learned to activate slow-time perception, processing and action, what is the mechanism?"
It asks why it doesn't happen every time, and IF(my emphasis) some have learned to do it, how do they do it. Like I said before, scientists are still trying to figure out what actually is happening and how it works. If it works the way you think it does, nearly if not everybody in law enforcement and the military who has been in a shoot out will have experienced this most if not every time. But, that's not the case. Not at all. It's happened to people untrained in accidents.
Now, do the comics you're using actually say they've been trained to increase their time perceptions, or are you going on an article about training MIGHT give the ability? [/B]
So now the arguments gone from, "Orion is much faster than these three, look at this feat where he moves too fast to see," to, "those speed feats are only as impressive as Orion's, not more impressive like you're trying to claim"?" Cause if that's where we're at, I'm good with it.
I do believe that moving too fast for trained gunmen/soldiers to see what you're doing, when they're surrounding you/you're moving straight at them, is more impressive than a girl looking at at you from a distance, and trying to comprehend something that is clearly outside of any expectations she had. But if you insist that they're only as impressive, then I agree to treat them as such.
So he wasn't amped(whether genetic manipulation or cyborg stuff) like Apocalypse has done before with other Horsemen?
Yes, he was given an adamantium skeleton. And, just like Angel, he kept the upgrade.
No they don't. 😄
You have yet to prove that. 😎
Originally posted by cdtm
You are the best I've ever seen at missing the point.Credit where it's due. 😉
Catching bullets while your back is turned equal being able to catch Spiderman webbing. Hulk was being sniped at and did not see it coming and still had enough time to catch the bullet with his teeth. Guess how he takes against webbing?
Ize, I'll have to reply when Photobucket is being more cooperative. I've tried several times to make a ****ing album for some relevant scans and it's not working. 😠
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Selective amnesia, strikes again.Carver has been shown Orion catching and throwing a bullet with pinpoint accuracy whilst blind......
And argues for eye webbing.
SMH.
There's also scans of him blind speed-blitzing a bunch of mobsters with Apokolipsian weaponry.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thor blocks bullets all the time with Mjolnir... but still didn't react to webbing 😄
I'll let cdtm say it for me. vin
Originally posted by cdtm
You are the best I've ever seen at missing the point.Credit where it's due. 😉
😖hifty:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That is Mjolnir, dum dum.Slowdinson himself is useless.
Besides, the point was even when blinded, he's still formidable.
Thor is useless even with his eyesight.
He was equipped with Mjolnir at the time.
Sigh, I guess you're right. Thor really enjoys getting his ass whooped.