Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, IIRC, she gets a significant amp in the comics, which are canon to the series. But anyway, 16-year-old Buffy gets flattened here.
I had meant the tv series. As for the comics, there is a point where she gets Superman-ish powers. Though it's been a long time since I read season 8 and 9 so I don't remember her non-amped feats. The comics are on season 10 or 11 by now.
Yep, Buffy could not replicate Cap's helicopter feat.
As for her experience, on the tv show she mostly relied on her powers. Most demons weren't expert fighters. She did take on and easily defeat people from "The Initiative" who were military trained, but to be fair none of them really showed any impressive fighting skills on screen.
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Buffy hoisted a gate that several people working together completely failed to lift, and lifted Olaf's hammer with one hand, when Spike could barely budge it. She's at least as strong as Cap. She went toe-to-toe with Glory FFS, who collapsed a building by stomping her foot, and possessed outright super speed.
It's a competitive fight. If you doubt that, well, you're straight up wrong.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
:/Buffy hoisted a gate that several people working together completely failed to lift, and lifted Olaf's hammer with one hand, when Spike could barely budge it. She's at least as strong as Cap.
Originally posted by DTM
Agreed. Buffy easily has superhuman physical stats, probably on par with Caps,
No, not even close.
S6, a single bullet puts Buffy in hospital. How many bullets did Cap take from Bucky?
Cap kicks cars out of the way easily. He can also lift a helicopter easily (what he did in CW was stop the helicopter flying away).
Cap can also run as fast as cars, and is fast enough to deflect bullets.
Strength wise this isn't close.
Durability wise this isn't close.
Speed wise this isn't close.
This just isn't a close fight (talking about Tv Buffy here, and not Comic book Buffy).
Originally posted by Martian_mind
:/Buffy hoisted a gate that several people working together completely failed to lift,
This doesn't compare to Caps high end stuff.
and lifted Olaf's hammer with one hand, when Spike could barely budge it. She's at least as strong as Cap.
Spike was never on a level of strength near Cap anyways. Not only that, but that moment was just bad writing IMO. The strength difference between Buffy and vampires had not consistently been *that* massive.
Did you also notice how the hammer was suddenly a "troll gods" hammer when around 10 episodes earlier it was shown to be the hammer of Anya's unfaithful husband that she turned into a troll?
She went toe-to-toe with Glory FFS, who collapsed a building by stomping her foot, and possessed outright super speed.It's a competitive fight. If you doubt that, well, you're straight up wrong.
It's strange you say I am straight up wrong when you have either forgotten important details or omitted them on purpose.
Buffy did not go "toe to toe" with Glory. Whenever she tried it ended badly. She only survived because Glory couldn't control when she'd turn back into Ben. Or other people helped her get away, like when Willow and Tara teleported Glory away.
There is only one time you could say Buffy went "toe to toe" with her. This would be the season finale, and that had special circumstances. For starters, Willow whammied Glory right at the beginning in order to cure Tara's insanity. Then after that Buffy showed up and was indeed fighting Glory..while holding a magical talisman that was specifically meant to weaken Glory.
Then after that the only way she ended up being able to do more damage to Glory was by using that mystical Troll hammer. Buffy could by no means go "toe to toe" with Glory at full strength, just using her own slayer powers and skill.