Captain America vs Buffy

Cap wins just by virtue of the clunky 90s fight choreography

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why the hell did you turn Cap into a pedopile 😄 😄 😄 😛 😛 😛 😆 😆 😆

She does like her men old. 😛 Angel was like 200 something years old, and Spike was over a hundred.

If this was Cap during The Avengers, I'd give it to Buffy actually, but the subsequent Russo Brothers movies pushes this way too far in Steve Rogers's favor.

I think that if this were a team exercise though, with Buffy and Angel and Spike, they could theoretically win against Cap.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
She does like her men old. 😛 Angel was like 200 something years old, and Spike was over a hundred.

And Steve was born in 1918, so he is pushing 100 himself. 😆

I bet she watches old grandpa porn in her spare time.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, not even close.

S6, a single bullet puts Buffy in hospital. How many bullets did Cap take from Bucky?

You realize Caps uniform is a level of body armor, so him taking a few bullets from WS, doesnt compare to Buffy getting shot by Warren while wearing a frilly blouse.

You realize that Cap was wearing his old WWII uniform and that it didn't actually stop any of the bullets, right?

Yeah those bullets tore clean through his suit.

Heck doesn't Cap get shot within 10 minutes of being given the SS serum? While he was chasing down that hydra member that had killed the doctor who created the serum?

Originally posted by Firefly218
Cap wins just by virtue of the clunky 90s fight choreography

Eh, it's not really her fighting skills, but overall levels of power that are her major downfall here.

Originally posted by Surtur
Heck doesn't Cap get shot within 10 minutes of being given the SS serum? While he was chasing down that hydra member that had killed the doctor who created the serum?

Yeah, after he chases the guy in the cab, a bullet goes through the door he is using as a shield and hits him in the side, a couple of inches below the armpit, while he is wearing a t-shirt... and then he proceeds to swim after a submarine.

To be fair to Buffy, she healed pretty quick from that gunshot wound, and she has consistent feats of having fast recovery times from injuries, and a helluva damage soak from blunt force. Not that she's beating Cap though.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You realize that Cap was wearing his old WWII uniform and that it didn't actually stop any of the bullets, right?

Given that even the world WW2 ones are supposed to be made from Stark tech carbon fiber. Yeah it actually does.

Then their is the fact that in "Chosen" Buffy was stabbed through the side of the abdomen ( as in the sword went in one side and the point came out the other ) and kept fighting. Hell a few minutes latter she ran down a speeding bus, that had a head start, while running on top of crumbling buildings.

Then we have the time Glory threw a crowbar into her shoulder, she kept going and in "Fool for Love" she gets a stake driven into her gut by a vamp, yeah its puts her down, but not out. Cap was also dropped by a center mass shot, sure he got back up, but is clearly messed him up pretty good. Even though he was wearing the afor mentioned armored suit.

So yeah we have one instance of Buffy being shot that nearly killed, but most of the time when she takes similar kinds damage it doesn't. The thing to remember about the gun shot that did, is that it looked like it may well have hit her heart or pretty damn close, in fact the doctors in the episode said she should have died ( would have if she was normal ).

Add to it that both have an abundance of feats of soaking blunt force trauma and neither is walking away from the durability/soak category with a decisive edge.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

S6, a single bullet puts Buffy in hospital. How many bullets did Cap take from Bucky?

Yes one bullet, while wearing street clothes that impacted pretty close to the heart and would have killed her out right had she not been the slayer. On the other hand she's been stabbed a few times and walked it off.

Cap on the other hand while he's been shot a few times most of them have been glancing hits or flesh wounds. The one that hit center mass actually dropped him for a bit.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Cap kicks cars out of the way easily. He can also lift a helicopter easily (what he did in CW was stop the helicopter flying away).

Angel pushes around dumpsters and he's said to be weaker then Buffy. The max lift weight on that helicopter is around 3,000 pounds. Restraining it is incredible, but Buffy can bend prison bars. Bending even low grade steel bars would take around 3,600 psi. Then their is the portcullis lift in "Anne", not only does she lift it, but she briefly supports it with one hand while re-positioning to get threw it, this gate could weigh anywhere from 2-10 TONS depending on if the bars are iron or wood covered with iron and the exact size of the gate.

We have other stuff for Buffy as well like carrying around I-Beams said to weigh several hundreds pounds, like it was nothing.

That said I wouldn't say she is definitively stronger then Steve. After all he's got feats like lifting motorcycles, the giant beam lift from Winter Soldier, and pushing around bulldozers ( thanks to Agents of Shield ) etc.

So I'm not seeing anything that gives him a solid edge here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Cap can also run as fast as cars, and is fast enough to deflect bullets.

By has run down automobiles as well, as for deflecting bullets she hasn't, but she can aim dodge just like Cap.

We have also seen her catch crossbow bolts and near point blank range.

So again as far as ground speed and reaction time neither seems to have a distinct advantage.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Strength wise this isn't close.

Except it kinda is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Durability wise this isn't close.

Fairly close actually.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Speed wise this isn't close.

Once again yes it is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

This just isn't a close fight (talking about Tv Buffy here, and not Comic book Buffy).

Care to explain why it isn't a close fight?

^ You've literally listed nothing that comes even close to Cap's physical stats.

Honestly Buffy and Angel combined couldn't take Cap (with or without his Shield).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ You've literally listed nothing that comes even close to Cap's physical stats.

Honestly Buffy and Angel combined couldn't take Cap (with or without his Shield).

Riot-Gear just disemboweled you and ripped your pecker off with your own entrails, and you respond with this weak shit?

Try again, because Riot-Gear is winning this thread's debate in two posts.

Yeah, I mean Caps shield is the big deal breaker here (and to a lesser extent, his uniform), utterly outclasses Buffys own arsenal, which is why Im supporting him to beat her here, but without that, this match is Much closer, and without that and adding in Angel to assist Buffy, well thats a prett clear win for the Whedonverse IMO.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ You've literally listed nothing that comes even close to Cap's physical stats.

Honestly Buffy and Angel combined couldn't take Cap (with or without his Shield).

Actually I've literally listed feats, that match the ones you listed for Cap.

So if you've got better feats for Cap then those by all means list them and prove your position.

Because as it stands right now, none of the listed feats for either character gives them a decisive edge over the other.

Originally posted by DTM
Yeah, I mean Caps shield is the big deal breaker here (and to a lesser extent, his uniform), utterly outclasses Buffys own arsenal, which is why Im supporting him to beat her here, but without that, this match is Much closer, and without that and adding in Angel to assist Buffy, well thats a prett clear win for the Whedonverse IMO.

If Cap gets his shield, armor, tactical gear etc and Buffy gets street clothes and a stake. Then yes that is going to swing things in his favor and assuming this is a random encounter, while both are on mission. Its a real possibility, that they'd be equipped this way.

Again based on feats a fist fight in street clothes is too close to call.

If both get to gear up knowing what they are facing. Cap is still likely going to show up with shield and armor and not much more. Buffy on the other hand might bring anything from the Slayer Scythe to an AT4 or anything in between. So who wins this kind of confrontation is going to depend a lot on what she is packing.

This is not S7 Buffy and, unless specified otherwise in the OP, opponents get standard gear for a fight.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This is not S7 Buffy and,

I assume you're saying it's not season 7 Buffy because the OP refers to her as a " 16 year old girl " .

It's a fair enough assumption given the little information the OP gives us, but a couple of things.

One, its almost as likely that it was done in jest a lighthearted way to set up the match.

and

Two, even if the OP actually intended for this to be season 2 Buffy. That conversation is over already, Buffy doesn't have the feats that early to truly compete with Cap. Basically everybody has already said this.

So we moved on to, not only what is likely the original posters intent for this versus, but also a far more interesting conversation/better versus match.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

unless specified otherwise in the OP, opponents get standard gear for a fight.

Is this an actual rule? I don't post on this forum all that often so maybe I missed a rule change/update, but I don't remember this being part of the rules.