Yeah b/c your arguments are cancerous and mine aren't.
Status quo aside, Kyp has better TK, TP, and destructive displays of the Force. Raw power/potential wise, he was directly placed alongside Yoda and Force Ghost Kenobi, and above the Vader's and Leia's of the world - Vader, possessing 80% of Sidioud power, while Leia was hinted/stated to share parity with Luke in that regard.
I'm not seeing the emphatic difference between the two, tbh.
-All incarnations of Maul are lowered to Bane tier due to his constant jobbing, losses, and pathetic force abilities
-Exar is Dooku level at best without a nexus backing him up
-Ben Kenobi is much higher than I use to have him
-Meetra Surik is probably Jinn tier or lower
-Krayt at his peak is better than Novel vitiate
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Likewise, I don't think ethereal Kenobi has a force signature. He's not even part of the tangible living Force, not alive or a nexus of energy, he's part of the more abstract cosmic force. The only difference between him and any other dead person is that he retained his identity, whereas others just assimilated into the Force conglomerate.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloOr maybe Luke just doesn't really know what he's talking about. mmm
I say Force Ghost Kenobi, because I'm not sure if Luke had the ability to actually sense Ben's physical Force presence - given, he was less than a novice when Obi-Wan was actually alive, and his ability to actually feel power was more or less non-existent.That's how I view it at least.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Likewise, I don't think ethereal Kenobi has a force signature. He's not even part of the tangible living Force, not alive or a nexus of energy, he's part of the more abstract cosmic force. The only difference between him and any other dead person is that he retained his identity, whereas others just assimilated into the Force conglomerate.
That's fair, but it can also be choked down to the fact the quote is very archiac in nature, and was made before the intricacies regarding the Force and such was created. They probably took Ben's statement about becoming much more powerful in death as legit, or maybe it is referring to flesh Ben - won't ever know for sure, because it's a retarded excerpt regardless.
This is really my main gripe with using old statements/quotes from sourcebooks before the EU fictional history was more filled/expansive, laws were established and the hierarchy was in place.
@Nova: Nah, JAT made it clear Kyp's power was > Leia's. Kyp said they were equal, but he also said he was more powerful than Luke, something you frown upon, so his opinion isn't as credible as Luke's objective Force test, tbh. Nor the statement in Essential Guide to the Characters.
They probably took Ben's statement about becoming much more powerful in death as legit, or maybe it is referring to flesh Ben
No, that's probably just how you took it because you want to have your cake and eat it too.
This is really my main gripe with using old statements/quotes from sourcebooks before the EU fictional history was more filled/expansive, laws were established and the hierarchy was in place.
Then don't use it in the first place.
No, that's probably just how you took it because you want to have your cake and eat it too.
And given the circumstances, it's a perfectly reasonable way to take it. 👆.
Then don't use it in the first place.
Nah, this one actually has use and conveys a good point even if the substance is within it isn't all that great. Obi-Wan's part in the quote may have been debunked by where we know he ranks among the Jedi/Sith now, but Yoda and others is still fair game.