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Sidious is a god.

Cade is overrated.

Wyyrlok is Dooku-tier.

Galen's shown better TK than Starkiller or Yoda; the former only incinerated, like, 1/4 to 1/3 of the Salvation.

Don't rank Nihilus.

Ranking Soa and Uprising bosses is cancer.

For all the hype he gets from hypothetically being able to supplant RotJ Sidious, Jerec is overrated.

Caedus is overrated.

Kyle got ragdolled.

Not all powerful Force-users demonstrate their strength through TK.

Knightfall Vader > RotJ Vader.

Mace > Tyranus.

TCW Sidious > Valkorion.

Before KMC:

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron (Possessed)
3. Darth Sidious
4. Valkorion
5. Yoda
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Caedus
8. Revan
9. Starkiller Clones
10. Darth Krayt
11. Darth Vader
12. Galen Marek
13. Exar Kun
14. Cade Skywalker
15. Tau
16. Soa
17. Darth Malgus
18. Arcann
19. Kyp Durron
20. Darth Malak
21. Kyle Katarn
22. Mace Windu
23. Darth Tyranus
24. Jerec
25. Darth Wyyrlok III
26. Darth Nyriss
27. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
28. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
29. Shaak Ti
30. Bastila Shan

After:

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Knightfall Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Krayt
8. Raynar Thul
9. Revan
10. Kyp Durron
11. Starkiller(s)
12. Darth Caedus
13. Exar Kun
14. Vaylin
15. Gethzerion
16. Darth Malgus
17. Mace Windu
18. Darth Tyranus
19. Arcann / Darth Wyyrlok III
20. Arcann / Darth Wyyrlok III
21. Cade Skywalker
22. Ulic Qel-Droma
23. Jaina Solo Fel
24. Kyle Katarn
25. Darth Malak
26. Darth Nyriss
27. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
28. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
29. Jerec
30. Shaak Ti

A more Azronger-friendly list:

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Valkorion
6. Revan
7. Darth Caedus
8. Knightfall Vader
9. Darth Krayt
10. Raynar Thul
11. Kyp Durron
12. Exar Kun
13. Vaylin
14. Gethzerion
15. Cade Skywalker
16. Starkiller(s)
17. Arcann
18. Mace Windu
19. Darth Tyranus
20. Jaina Solo Fel
21. Ulic Qel-Droma
22. Darth Malgus
23. Darth Wyyrlok III
24. Kyle Katarn
25. Darth Malak
26. Darth Nyriss
27. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
28. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
29. Jerec
30. Shaak Ti

Originally posted by Geistalt
Cade is overrated.

21. Cade Skywalker
27. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
28. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi

Kek, you have him higher than almost everyone here.

This is in terms of Force strength.

I'm going to assume you forgot Talzin, and don't actually think Jerec is stronger than her. Same with Traya....

Originally posted by Geistalt Sidious is a god.

A more Azronger-friendly list:

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Valkorion
6. Revan
7. Darth Caedus
8. Knightfall Vader
9. Darth Krayt
10. Raynar Thul
11. Kyp Durron
12. Exar Kun
13. Vaylin
14. Gethzerion
15. Cade Skywalker
16. Starkiller(s)
17. Arcann
18. Mace Windu
19. Darth Tyranus
20. Jaina Solo Fel
21. Ulic Qel-Droma
22. Darth Malgus
23. Darth Wyyrlok III
24. Kyle Katarn
25. Darth Malak
26. Darth Nyriss
27. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
28. Darth Maul / Obi-Wan Kenobi
29. Jerec
30. Shaak Ti

Lmao. Anyway, that's not how I'd do it.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm going to assume you forgot Talzin, and don't actually think Jerec is stronger than her. Same with Traya....
I don't rank Talzin because she's not a natural Force-user.

I don't rank Nihilus 'cause he's an anomaly.

You also could've nitpicked about all the SWTOR Uprising bosses and Soa.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Knightfall Vader
5. Valkorion / Talzin
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Darth Krayt / Darth Nihilus
8. Raynar Thul
9. Revan
10. Kyp Durron
11. Starkiller(s)
12. Darth Caedus
13. Exar Kun
14. Vaylin / RotJ Vader

In Lords of the Sith, which I'm reading at the moment and is now the new canon, Vader thinks to himself that he was stronger now that he knew how to focus his anger and emotions.

fvck the new canon.

Originally posted by samappo
In Lords of the Sith, which I'm reading at the moment and is now the new canon, Vader thinks to himself that he was stronger now that he knew how to focus his anger and emotions.

Not that surprising. Dooku was also insanely arrogant over his new Sith powers.

They take it after Palps. 👆

Don't know anything about Kyp. Explain pls

Kyp was Luke's star pupil.

Debilitates Luke with Lightning.

With the Sun Crusher looming behind him, Kyp stretched out both hands and blasted Luke with lightning bolts like black cracks in the Force. Dark tendrils rose up from gaps in the temple flagstones, fanged, illusory vipers that struck at him from all sides.

Luke cried out and tried to strike back, but the shadow of Exar Kun joined the attack, adding more deadly force. The ancient Dark Lord of the Sith lashed out with waves of blackness, driving long icicles of frozen poison into Luke's body.

He thrashed, but felt helpless. To lose control to anger and desperation would be as great a failure as if he did nothing at all. Luke called upon the powers that Yoda and Obi-Wan had taught him—but everything he did, every skillful technique, failed utterly.

Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail.

– Dark Apprentice

Crushes Corran Horn's Force Barrier.

Even though I braced myself for another attack, it did no good. Kyp's previous Force blows were like light breezes compared with a full-out gale. I slammed back into the wall with a teeth-rattling impact. As my body absorbed Force energy and fed it back out, the shield I'd created grew in size. More importantly, my surprise and survival instinct opened me up to the Force and allowed it to flow into the shield. Even so, Kyp's attack jammed the shield back against the wall and I watched stone crumble beneath its rim.

The safe area I had began to shrink, and my chest became tight as it compressed my ribs.

– I, Jedi

Rends Luke body from mind with the aid of Exar Kun.

"What happened to him?" Dorsk 81 said in great alarm.

"Is he alive?" Streen asked. "I can't hear him."

Cilghal probed with her sensing abilities and shook her orange and muddy- green head. "He's breathing. I can sense very little heartbeat, just the faintest pulse. But I can't find him inside. When I touch him with the Force, all I find is a great empty spot...."

– Dark Apprentice

Deflects blaster fire from a Class 720 freighter.

They had covered half the distance between the ship's bow and the docking exit. Fen was beginning to think maybe no one would notice when Kyp started yelling. "Get to the door," he called. Behind them, Fen heard the earsplitting whine of laser fire. She instinctively ducked and pushed Ghitsa forward to the entrance, but couldn't place what the ricochet sound was. Fen whirled around and, for a second, reflexes honed by years of dodging and answering blaster fire failed her. Kyp, the kid of a Jedi, was standing alone in the middle of the docking bay. Laserfire poured from the Rook's forward guns. And like some weird children's toy, Kyp caught the green killing bolts on his lightsaber and tossed them away. "Fen!" she heard Ghitsa shout. She spun about. Her partner was under the entrance's marginal cover. "It is locked. You'll need to hold them off a few minutes." A few minutes. It was a lifetime in moments like this. She ran back to Kyp. Methodically, even calmly, he deflected each burst of fire. The blasts bounced off the lightsaber, ricocheting at crazy angles.

– Simple Tricks

Saturates a room with Force Lightning.

By the time R2-D2's projector shut down, Kyp's outrage was a tangible thing in the Force, filling the room with a crackling energy that seemed in danger of blasting the doors off their quiet meeting place.

– The New Jedi Order: Star by Star

Reduces a couple of rats to dust.

Alarmed, Kyp lost control of his anger for an instant and let fly a searing blast of power that followed the two rodents down their narrow tunnels and incinerated them as they ran. Blackened bones tumbled forward with the momentum, then slumped to dust in the stone tunnel.

– Dark Apprentice

Telekinetically weaponizes a freighter (estimably larger than the Millennium Falcon); tosses it at a coralskipper with enough force to cause them both to go hurling into a larger coralskipper's singularity.

Kyp quickly took stock of the nearby battle. A large Corellian freighter, most likely carrying passengers fleeing the planet, managed to hurtle through the blockade just a few kilometers from the Jedi corvette...

A huge fissure sizzled down the side of the battered freighter...

Once before, Kyp had seized a ship and dragged it out of the fierce heart of a gas giant. Now he reached out with the Force and took hold of the dead freighter.

It shot forward with astonishing ease, moving steadily through the vacuum of space toward the shielded coralskipper.

Ian Rim's dark chuckle came through the comm. "Subtle as always, Kyp! Let's not let this one get away, Dozen!" he shouted.

The lieutenant spun off in a tight turn, his two surviving pilots following closely. They darted around the big coralskipper, cutting off its retreat, taking and returning fire from the other enemy skips. Their daring maneuvers soon exacted a price—lan's ship got caught in a Yuuzhan Vong crossfire. The double blast of plasma proved too much for his shields, and the ship dissolved in a bright splatter of plasma and superheated metal.

The pilots Ian had commanded doggedly held the course he'd plotted. The XJs continued to harry the big skip, forcing it to keep up its stuttering shields as the dead freighter closed in. At the last moment, the surviving X-wings shot away toward safety.

The freighter never got close. One moment it was there; the next it simply disappeared into a void. What happened next was not exactly what Kyp had had in mind.

He'd hoped for a physical impact, or, barring that, that the freighter might overwhelm the dovin basal's capacity, leaving the big coralskipper vulnerable to attack. It had never occurred to him that the skip's multiple singularities might merge into one and fold in on the Yuuzhan Vong ship like a glove turning inside out. But suddenly, the freighter was gone. So was the coralskipper.

The New Jedi Order: Dark Journey

Reverses the direction of a black hole generated by a dovin basal.

And he seized upon that void, directing all his Force abilities and discipline against it.

It was like using a thin metal rod to push a grounded landspeeder. Too much pressure and it would bend, becoming useless. Too little and nothing would happen. He had to find the right pressure to budge it, to set it into motion and keep it going that way...

For a moment, the only things in the universe were him, Jaina, and the void. He moved the void, turned it around, moved it back the other direction.

Then he was himself again, in the cockpit, watching the flank of the interdictor distort. The void had moved back and touched the interdictor, and now the interdictor elongated into it, extending what looked like a pliant extrusion of what he knew to be hardened yorik coral into the singularity.

– The New Jedi Order: Enemy Lines I: Rebel Dream

Yep, Kyp is def Yoda level. 👆

Seems like his feats against Luke were only with the aid of Exar Kun, but yeah quite impressive.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yep, Kyp is def Yoda level. 👆

Just about none of that is Yoda level. 😂

Shame they didn't specify what speed and mass the black hole had.

Yoda has no TK feat superior, or even near, Kyp's singularity showing.

The same Luke that collapsed a mountain size structure with less than his full might, had his reserves taxed to the max to move one, and Kyp replicated the same feat, arguably to an easier degree.

Ignoring in character mental inhibitions, Kyp's showings across the board are defintiely more impressive than yoda's at least telkentically and force wise. And unfortunately yoda gets absolutley nothing from scaling in comparison to post rots characters.

The coral skipper showing is well above yoda's mountain or ocw showings. Weaponizing and throwing a freighter is definitely better than redirecting a missle by an inch or holding together a freighter

Kyps's best is>>Yoda's best

Off course yoda wins in character because
a. Saber skill
b. Kyp's in character inhibitions

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yoda has no TK feat superior, or even near, Kyp's singularity showing.

The same Luke that collapsed a mountain size structure with less than his full might, had his reserves taxed to the max to move one, and Kyp replicated the same feat, arguably to an easier degree.

Kyp's singularity is the only one, and it's a feat accomplished with utterly maximum effort - a level of effort you don't normally see in SW and certainly isn't applicable in a fight. The rest of them aren't even above the likes of Dooku. And doesn't Kyp talk about his mindset and the way that affects his powers in LotF? I mean, if you're discussing raw power, then you could well be right, but if we're talking about in-combat effective power, not quite.

To name something similar, Yoda holds back a mountain in Canon despite the efforts of all those Force users to inhibit his powers. Said mountain being made of esoteric material that made a small boulder difficult for Yoda to lift just hours earlier. And that's fighting against gravity as opposed to being aided by it like Luke was. So yeah, a far better feat than Luke collapsing a "mountain-sized structure", with half-effort or not.

In Legends, Yoda's a match or a near-match for Palpatine, who can, not long after RotS, telekinetically bury 19km-long Star Destroyers and with a thought crack the foundations of his palace (which is 3km tall, 20km wide) which is large enough to house a Star Destroyer.

Then there's always Luke ranking Yoda above Kyp in raw power. 🙂

All named feats are inferior to Kyp's, lmao. And nice job mixing canon and Legends, Lal. The reach is beyond real.

And I'm still not sold on Palatine using TK to bury the ISD, neither.

No, I'm using it to disprove the notion whether you want to use Canon or Legends Yoda. I'm saying Kyp isn't on par with either of them, except perhaps in raw power. Nowhere did I blend Canon and Legends. 😂

The showings are not inferior; they're better. Yoda's canon feat is well above Luke's "mountain-sized structure" one, so based on your approach, he can replicate the black hole showing, and more easily.

Sidious' feat is done with a thought, as contrasted to the maximum-effort showings of the singularities, so yeah, he is better unless you can name Kyp doing feats of a similar scale with a mere thought? I mean, even Kyp's showings with more effort are inferior.

For that matter, do we a measure of the singularities' potency, and whether they're equally powerful in Luke and Kyp's cases — because we all know Luke's factually more powerful than Kyp by Vector Prime and it stays that way?