Ranking TOR characters

Who do the following characters compare to the closest in sabers, Force, and all-out? Comparisons to the movie era would be best.

-Darth Nyriss

-novel Scourge

-prime Scourge

-Darth Thanaton

-Darth Baras

-Darth Jadus

-Darth Malgus

-Hope Satele Shan

-KotFE Satele Shan

-Foundry Revan

-SoR Revan

-KotFE Ch.1 Outlander

-KotET Ch.9 Outlander

-KotET Lana Beniko

-Senya

-Arcann

-chained Vaylin

-unchained Vaylin

-novel Vitiate (no amp)

-novel Vitiate (on Dromund Kaas)

-TOR Vitiate

-Valkorion's spirit

-prime Valkorion

Darth Nyriss: No idea; Revan was a Karpyshyn fvckfest.

Scourge (Revan): ^

Scourge (SWTOR): Darth Marr (Consume Essence notwithstanding; with that ability, he could probably border on Dooku's tier).

Darth Thanaton: Acina / Lana Beniko

Darth Baras: Darth Tormen

Darth Jadus: Darth Angral / Darth Serevin

Darth Malgus: Darth Tyranus

Hope Satele Shan: < Aryn Leneer.

KotFE Satele Shan: Meetra Surik (Revan)

Foundry Revan: Jaina Solo Fel / Cade Skywalker / Ulic Qel-Droma (strong enough to not get ragdolled by Caedus).

SoR Revan: Raynar Thul

RotE Hero of Tython: Shaak Ti

KotET Hero of Tython: > Vaylin.

KotET Lana Beniko: Acina

Senya Tirall: Meetra Surik (Revan)

Arcann: Darth Wyyrlok (in both sabers and Force); right under Tyranus.

Chained Vaylin: Senya Tirall (sabers); novel Revan (Force).

Unchained Vaylin: < Exar Kun (and any version of Starkiller).

Vitiate (Revan): Who knows?

Amped Vitiate (Revan): Darth Plagueis

SWTOR Vitiate: Talzin

Valkorion: Knightfall Vader

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"A trembling shape up and to his left chose that moment to give way, showering molten fragments all along the spine of the ship. The primary array was no great loss: he couldn't have heard anyone anyway over the racket in his ears. But the forward turbolasers and primary sensor unit, the next two chunks to go, were more of a concern... Several lower decks peeled back and were swept away, including the bridge. Most of the short-range array was gone, leaving him with just the base to hold him steady. He clenched his hands into fists and willed the ship to keep going... With a bone-jarring crack, the spine connecting fore and aft sections of the frigate snapped clean through. Starkiller reached out with the Force, trying desperately to keep the two pieces together, but nothing could be done... The fore section he stood upon was going to come down among them, doing a considerable amount of damage in the process."

nah.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Now I agree it's as big as a 150-meter frigate.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Scourge (SWTOR): Darth Marr (Consume Essence notwithstanding; with that ability, he could probably border on Dooku's tier).

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valk isn't anakin level
no version of revan is jaina level

Emphasis on "border," Az.

Cade and Wyyrlok border on Dooku's tier.

And it probably would've been more accurate to say "with that ability active to its fullest extent"; against a rage-junkie like Marr, for example.

"with that ability active to its full extent" nihlus prolly could border on sids level

Originally posted by Azronger
Who do the following characters compare to the closest in sabers, Force, and all-out? Comparisons to the movie era would be best.

-Darth Nyriss

-novel Scourge

-prime Scourge

-Darth Thanaton

-Darth Baras

-Darth Jadus

-Darth Malgus

-Hope Satele Shan

-KotFE Satele Shan

-Foundry Revan

-SoR Revan

-KotFE Ch.1 Outlander

-KotET Ch.9 Outlander

-KotET Lana Beniko

-Senya

-Arcann

-chained Vaylin

-unchained Vaylin

-novel Vitiate (no amp)

-novel Vitiate (on Dromund Kaas)

-TOR Vitiate

-Valkorion's spirit

-prime Valkorion

Nyriss - Sub Fisto/?/Around early TCW Kenobi

N Scourge - Low council tier/?/low council tier

Prime Scourge - Sub Fisto/Around Fisto/Around/Slightly below Fisto

Thanaton - Trash/Slightly below Ventress/?

Baras - Sub Jinn/Ventress ?/Slightly below Fisto

Jadus - Dunno/Dooku-Vader/Dunno

Darth Malgus - Around Maul/Around Dooku/Around Dooku

Hope Satele - ??/Around Ventress/

KotFE Satele - ??/??/??

Foundry Revan - ??/??/??

SoR Revan - Above Maul/Above Caedus/Around Krayt

KotFE Outlander ch 1 - Ventress/ ??/ Around Opress

KotET Outlander ch 9 - Around Kenobi/??/ Around Dooku

KotET Lana Beniko - sub council

Senya - Jinn/??/Below Jinn

Arcann - Same as Malgus

chained Vaylin - Dunno

unchained Vaylin - ??/Above Vader/ ??

novel Vitiate (no amp) - ??/Slightly above Revan Reborn/??

novel Vitiate (on Dromund Kaas) - ??/Krayt/??

TOR Vitiate - ??/Sub Plagueis/??

prime Valkorion - ??/Sub Sidious/ ??

I mostly took accolades in consideration and scaled feats and battles from there. Some characters are highly debatable since they don't have many appearances.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
[B]Thanaton - Trash/Slightly below Ventress/?

Ventress isn't trash, lol. Anyway, what places him so high?

Jadus - Dunno/Dooku-Vader/Dunno

Why?

Darth Malgus - Around Maul/Around Dooku/Around Dooku

Why?

Hope Satele - ??/Around Ventress/

How in the hell...?

KotFE Outlander ch 1 - Ventress/ ??/ Around Opress

KotET Outlander ch 9 - Around Kenobi/??/ Around Dooku

There is a massive gap between Dooku and Kenobi. What has the Outlander done to be ranked so high?

Arcann - Same as Malgus

Again, why?

unchained Vaylin - ??/Above Vader/ ??

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Can't place Nyriss because of what Wollf said. The novel was horsesh!t in every aspect.

Same for Novel Scourge.

Prime Scourge is a bit lower than Plo Koon.

Thanaton's slightly above Shaak Ti.

Baras with Sel-Makor amp is a bit below SoD Maul; without it he's Savage-level.

Jadus is sh!t-tier; he'd prolly take a 6/10 over Coleman Trebor.

FE Malgus is about equal to Dooku.

Hope Satele is ~ Kylo Ren.

KotFE Satele is around SoD Maul.

Foundry Revan is a bit worse than Jaina.

SoR Revan is ~ Plagueis, probably slightly below.

KotFE Chapter 1 Outlander is about Galen-level.

KotET Chapter 9 Outlander is ~ normal-state-of-mind RotS Anakin, assuming he's Darkside.

Lana is ~ Ki-Adi-Mundi.

Senya is ~ TCW S5 Obi Wan.

Arcann is ~ Dooku.

Chained Vaylin is ^

Unchained Vaylin is > ANH Vader

Novel Vitiate unamped is around TPM Sidious level (beginning of TPM)

Amped Novel Vitiate is ~ Darth Plagueis, slightly below probably.

TOR Vitiate is ~ RotS Sidious, slightly below probably.

Valkorion's spirit is TPM Sidious-level.

Valkorion himself is ~ RotJ Sidious, slightly better probably.

The format is sabers/force/all-out. I didn't say Ventress is trash, only that Thanaton is trash in sabers.

Jadus - Held his damaged dreadnought together.

Malgus - Is stated to have a flawless lightsaber form by HoT (who is a battlemaster and, as expected, should've the knowledge to proper analyze it), is stated to be an "exemplary warrior with unduplicated battlefield feats" by Sidious. You know very well this accolade is under rated, Az. His force feats while significantly pre-prime are already extraordinary, too.

Hope Satele - Blowing up an entire cliffside seems to be Ventress tier to me. Note that it's only force wise. She's obviously inferior in sabers.

Outlander - Around Kenobi in sabers and around Dooku as a general combatant. Tanking Vaylin unchained maelstrom is an excellent feat considering her ship busting abilities.

Arcann - Dominated newbie Outlander in the Force and sabers.

Vaylin - (multiple) ship busting force powers and one-shotted Arcann + Senya while veteran Outlander had the moral help from Valkorion to whitstand her powers. Note it's force only.

Originally posted by slayne
Can't place Nyriss because of what Wollf said. The novel was horsesh!t in every aspect.

What the hell did I say?

Originally posted by slayne
TOR Vitiate is ~ RotS Sidious, slightly below probably.

Valkorion's spirit is TPM Sidious-level.

Valkorion himself is ~ RotJ Sidious, slightly better probably.

slayne = TORy confirmed

edit: Nvm

edit: Turns out I'm an idiot lol.

Originally posted by slayne
As in you described the reason why Scourge & Nyriss were so hard to rank during their novel incarnations.

That.... was not wolf.

Originally posted by slayne
[B]FE Malgus is about equal to Dooku.

How? Is there actual substance behind Malgus' hype? I don't see it myself

KotFE Satele is around SoD Maul.

How?

SoR Revan is ~ Plagueis, probably slightly below.

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KotFE Chapter 1 Outlander is about Galen-level.

KotET Chapter 9 Outlander is ~ normal-state-of-mind RotS Anakin, assuming he's Darkside.

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Senya is ~ TCW S5 Obi Wan.

What...?

Arcann is ~ Dooku.

Chained Vaylin is ^

Unchained Vaylin is > ANH Vader

Again, what...?

Novel Vitiate unamped is around TPM Sidious level (beginning of TPM)

Amped Novel Vitiate is ~ Darth Plagueis, slightly below probably.

You don't think the amp constituted any kind of power increase? Or do you have Plagueis and TPM Sidious far apart?

TOR Vitiate is ~ RotS Sidious, slightly below probably.

Why?

Valkorion's spirit is TPM Sidious-level.

Really curious to hear your case.

Valkorion himself is ~ RotJ Sidious, slightly better probably.

Not a chance. Check out my Ultimate Palpatine essay. It should still be on the front page.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay

Jadus - Held his damaged dreadnought together.

Quote and context, please.

[Quote]Malgus - Is stated to have a flawless lightsaber form by HoT (who is a battlemaster and, as expected, should've the knowledge to proper analyze it), is stated to be an "exemplary warrior with unduplicated battlefield feats" by Sidious. You know very well this accolade is under rated, Az. His force feats while significantly pre-prime are already extraordinary, too.

HoT is factually a sub-Dooku duelist, and battlefield feats =/= ability in personal combat, or else Windu > Yoda. And nothing I've seen from Malgus would consider me putting him above even Kenobi, Force-wise

Hope Satele - Blowing up an entire cliffside seems to be Ventress tier to me. Note that it's only force wise. She's obviously inferior in sabers.

That's not Ventress-tier and she was amped by the lightsaber blade she absorbed.

Outlander - Around Kenobi in sabers and around Dooku as a general combatant. Tanking Vaylin unchained maelstrom is an excellent feat considering her ship busting abilities.

Outlander has absolutely nothing on Kenobi's level, and what ship-busting capabilities? Vaylin's Maelstrom attack sucked - at best it only cracked stone.

Arcann - Dominated newbie Outlander in the Force and sabers.

Arcann didn't dominate him in sabers - or even close - and the Outlander has what Force feats to make this impressive, exactly?

Vaylin - (multiple) ship busting force powers and one-shotted Arcann + Senya while veteran Outlander had the moral help from Valkorion to whitstand her powers. Note it's force only.

When did Vaylin bust ships? And she didn't one-shot anyone; Arcann and Senya were simply caught off-guard. Note how in the dark side version she does the same attack and Theron Shan and Lana Beniko - utter fodder - are completely unharmed, implying very much they were simply caught off-guard and not actually hit by the attack - same with Arcann and Senya.