Originally posted by TenebrousWay
It's on the Cipher Nine storyline, when I find it I'll send it to you.
Alright
LMFAO. HoT doesn't need to be Dooku level to correctly rate Malgus' form, the same way a coach doesn't need to be better than his players to avail them. He just need to be capacitated for that - and HoT is.
What a spectacular way to miss the point. I brought up Dooku > HoT because Malgus' form is flawless in the HoT's opinion. In reality, no duelist is flawless, and the best Malgus gets out of that quote is being on a level with HoT in terms of raw skill - which doesn't propel him to Dooku-level.
His "battlefields feats" are clearly linked with his capacity as a "exemplary warrior".Evidently, Malgus' talents in personal combat are included in the quote. Quote about Windu? And even if there's one, we know from a significant number of sources that Yoda > Windu. Unless you can provide the same for Malgus (an exception to the rule that was estabilished by Sidious' accolades) your counter exemple(?) does not have validity.
You conveniently ignored the first definition of the quote: "a hostile encounter or engagement between opposing military forces" and jumped straight to the one which favored his personal combat abilities without any explanation or elaboration on why that is what the quote is referring to.
If you want Sidious' opinion on the matter, then here:
"Even though he failed to live up to his full potential, there was much pleasure in transforming Anakin Skywalker from a bright-eyed, tousle-headed youth into the greatest Jedi killer of all time."
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you."
Clearly, if Malgus' accolade was referring to his personal combat abilities, Sidious would not make such contradictory judgements about Vader. Instead, I think it refers to his abilities on the battlefield - and by that I mean the place what I, and most people I'd imagine, would immediately associate with the word - not personal combat but the clash of armies.
Malgus deaccelerating and holding back a freighter trying to take off is almost as good as Dooku's cruiser throwing, even on conservative estimates. After that Malgus received a huge power up that made someone who could compete with him to be one-shotted. And then, he had more than a decade of growth where his "understanding of the Force grew daily". Obi Wan had visible strain to "tk pilot" and cloak Organa's ship in space, so we know his limits aren't much above than that.
Good thing I wasn't going to bring up Dooku's cruiser tossing, then. Rather, let's look at Padawan Anakin Skywalker:
I'd say that's roughly equivalent to Malgus' feat. And yes, Malgus grew, but that's hardly an issue for Dooku, considering what his pawns can accomplish:
Ragdolling and one-shotting an Anakin significantly more powerful than the dreadnought-ragdoller? Saato, Trenox and Ventress are up to the task. Specifically focusing on Ventress, she is noted to be possibly the most powerful of Tyranus' acolytes, and she also has the best feat out of all of them:
Perhaps Tyranus' most powerful student was Asajj Ventress.
-Fact File 116
That's significantly beyond Malgus' ship feat, and even a highballed FE Malgus is at best on Ventress' level - I won't accept anytging higher with the feat you've currently presented. Now let's look at how Dooku handles Ventress with the Force:
He stood tall, imposing, and as Vos raced toward him, Dooku didn't flinch. He lowered his sword and extended his hand. Vos rose in the air and then Dooku shoved, sending the Jedi slamming into one of the pillars. The count turned, almost nonchalantly performing the same maneuver with Ventress. The wind was knocked out of her and she couldn't breathe. Stubbornly, using her hate the way she had taught Vos to do, she summoned energy to to push herself up to a kneeling position, still clutching her lightsaber.
Dooku's lip curled in a manner that might have been a smile or a snarl. Abruptly, Ventress found herself dangling in in the air as he whirled her around behind him and then threw her down like a spoiled child discarding a disliked toy.
The pain was excruciating, but Ventress remained conscious long enough to see that Dooku wasn't yet done. She could only watch helplessly as she slid, headfirst, into the unyielding stone of a meticulously carved bench. Then the world went white, and she knew nothing more.
-Dark Disciple
"Don't patronize me," Asajj said coldly.Dooku looked around. "Or what?"
Her face went pale.
Dooku lifted that one finger, and this time he tapped it in the air, as if pushing a needle into a pincushion. Ventress crumpled to her knees. Her voice came out clotted with pain. "Please," she said. "Don't."
"It doesn't feel good, does it? Like sharp stones in your throat and chest." Dooku made another little patting motion, and Ventress slammed to the tile floor. "It's the blood vessels I hate," Dooku said. "The way they stretch inside like balloons about to pop."
"P-p-p-please..."
"But worse anything is the memories," he said, more softly still. "They crowed around, like flies on meat. Every despicable thing, every petty vice, every little act of spite." A cruel, strange quiet stretched out as Ventress panted on the stone floor. Rain ticked against the window glass, and the Count's voice went dark and far away. "All the things you should have stopped, but didn't, and nothing will ever be right again. And the things you've done," he whispered. "By the pitless stars, the things you've done..."
The comm on Dooku's desk beeped. He shook his head, like a man waking from a dream. "The Troxan delegation is at the door."
Ventress crawled to her feet. Her face was bruised and her cheeks were wet with tears. Both pretended not to notice.
-Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
Dooku would stomp Malgus in a Force battle, if the ship feat is the one you're using as the base for you powerscale. You'll have to present something better.
Ventress best TK feat other than throwing pre-prime Obi Wan around with circunstances is causing an avalanche and destroying parts of ceillings. Unless you think the lightsaber absorption multiplied Satele's powers, her feat is still mostly valid.
Yeah, not true (see above). Satele isn't coming close to that, and will be stomped by Ventress.
Perhaps her Maelstrom was focused on the guy that was just some inches away from impalling her, instead of focusing on the walls? The animation clearly shows the walls are on the very border of her Maelstrom and not close.
Vaylin didn't focus on anything; her attack was omnidirectional. And of you want to go that route, then how potent the attack was at the center is clearly unquantifiable. We're better off sticking with what we can measure.
KoTET Outlander is more powerful than the guy who dominated him before. Likely by a fair margin.
Yeah, and how powerful was he before when Arcann dominated him? Without establishing that, this is worthless.
With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.
That's not ship busting, but a good feat nonetheless.
This "they were caught off guard!!11" meme is bizarre! They are staring at a hysterical and unstable woman who happen to be immensely powerful (for their standards).Arcann and Senya were incapacitated by around thirty seconds - you can clearly see their bodies on the floor when the Outlander's resisting the Maelstrom. That's an undeniable one-shot. Unless you can prove the Dark Side playthrough is canon, your observation about Theron and Lana is utter irrelevant, since they were knocked out as well.
The canon path for TOR hasn't been established so I don't need to prove anything. As it stands, Vaylin's attack failed to harm a fodder tier Force user and a non-Force sensitive in a significant way. Unless you want to suggest Arcann is on Theron and Lana's level, I think it's best to just assume his Force defenses weren't active, and thus, this can't be used as an accurate measurement of Vaylin's capabilities.
Cracking stone is still her best feat 👆
I don't mind your PT wank but you simply refuse to admit that some TOR characters can hold their own against PT powerhouses.
No, I don't, and you'd better not start bringing out the bias card. If you don't want to debate me, don't. But don't start calling biased if a make an argument in favor of a PT character.