Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why are you debating shit when you have no clue what it's even about?
If you are asking this question, then I don't know what the hell you're doing here. The main objective of a debate is to broaden your knowledge base - at least for me it is - not to win.
No, it's one of four different quotes. All the Pub protags get their own quote of beating Malgus.Everyone quotes the Hero's but forgets the Barsen'thor, the Smuggler, and the Trooper have ones too.
Post them, then.
We know the quote is BS given Malgus is still alive. He most likely fell down a shaft, perhaps due to a Rakatan-grade bomb.Hell, for all we know, he might not have even been defeated by the team - just overstepped and took a massive L.
The only part that fact is that he's still alive. The rest is speculation.
Originally posted by Azronger
Post them, then.
Can't copy and paste, but they're all here.
The only part that fact is that he's still alive. The rest is speculation.
They changed it so that you could actually kill him, but it seems the original is still the canonical.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao, ****ing down-syndromed middle-schooler telling me what I can say and what I can't.None of you could even provide me what I wanted. Saying they all applied to TPM/AotC when they didn't isn't an argument.
Yeah, not going to continue this pointless bickering. I'll leave you to whine all by yourself, drama queen.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
This feat is significantly inferior to both Dooku's cruiser throwing and Malgus' TK feat. I did the calculations and Anakin changing the angular momentum of an atmospheric dreadnought is roughly 1/4 of the forces Malgus manipulated (around 16k tons for Anakin against around 60k tons for Malgus) and also significantly inferior to Dooku's as well (estimated as around 80k on average, converted from the work of a force)
Count Dooku didn't throw any cruiser around; he force-pushed a cruiser towards the direction of his enemies (not the same as lifting it and chugging like a missile). And that vehicle was a little more than rusted piece of metal. Setting was also strong in the Dark Side.
Darth Malgus was on Coruscant. And he prevented a dropship from taking-off for a span of time. Count Dooku's feat is of entirely different character in comparison.
To give you an idea of Darth Malgus's telekinetic punch:
Aryn Leener (simultaneously) lifted and chugged 6 tram cars like missiles towards the position of her enemies. Now, tram cars are no small vehicles; they tend to be very large and heavy.
Darth Malgus sent Leener packing across the hall with a blast of power, soon after the dropship feat.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why are you debating shit when you have no clue what it's even about?No, it's one of four different quotes. All the Pub protags get their own quote of beating Malgus.
Everyone quotes the Hero's but forgets the Barsen'thor, the Smuggler, and the Trooper have ones too.
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We know the quote is BS given Malgus is still alive. He most likely fell down a shaft, perhaps due to a Rakatan-grade bomb.
Hell, for all we know, he might not have even been defeated by the team - just overstepped like Maul vs Kanan and took a massive L.
@Azronger getting owned which is becoming a norm these days.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And that vehicle was a little more than rusted piece of metal.
Quotes? They were corroded, but that doesn't mean they were insignificant bits of rusted ordure like you're making them out to be.
Proof of their size is seen in the fact that the its' parts were coming down like rain (obviously that would not happen with a small vessel), the crashes of those individual parts were "deafening", and Obi-Wan and Anakin had to actively leap about to avoid them; at times, the Jedi even had to deflect some of the parts because they couldn't avoid them with their acrobatics — I think that speaks strongly as to how large the parts, and thus the cruiser itself, was:
"Drop!" Anakin and Obi-Wan hit the floor, hugging the stones as the cruiser passed over them and smashed into the wall.Vehicle parts began to fall like rain. The crashes were deafening. They leaped, twisted, and dived to avoid them, using the Force to deflect them when they could. Finally they came to rest in the shadow of one of the giant statues. Obi-Wan leaned against a clawed foot and squinted into the darkness.
-- Jedi Quest: The Final Showdown
As you can see, the cruiser, corroded as it was, was still of considerable size.
Setting was also strong in the Dark Side.
Not at all. Obviously the Jedi would suffer adverse effects in the presence of any dark side nexus, but for a Sith, it was all but negligible. In Path of Destruction, Bane repeatedly notes that the dark side nexus on Korriban was remarkably anemic:
They arrived in the middle of the day. He had expected them to touch down at Dreshdae, the only city on the dark and forbidding world. Instead the ship landed at a starport built atop an ancient temple overlooking a desolate valley. A chill wind blew across the landing pad as he disembarked, but it didn’t bother Des. After the stale air of the pit, any breeze felt good. He felt a shiver go down his spine as his foot touched Korriban’s surface. He’d heard that this had once been a place of great power, though now only the merest shadows remained. There was an undercurrent of malice here; he’d felt it as soon as the transport had entered the bleak planet’s atmosphere.-- Path of Destruction
Still, he was troubled. He remembered the first time he’d set foot on Korriban. He’d sensed the power of the world: Korriban was alive with the dark side. Yet the feeling had been faint and distant. During his time at the Academy he’d grown so accustomed to the almost subconscious hum that he barely even noticed it anymore.When he’d left the temple and the starport behind, he’d expected that feeling to grow stronger. With each step drawing him closer to the Valley of the Dark Lords he thought he’d feel the dark side growing in its intensity.
Instead he’d felt nothing. No noticeable change at all. He was only a few kilometers away from the valley’s entrance; he could see the shaded outlines of the nearest tombs carved from the stone walls. And still the dark side was no stronger than a hollow echo, no more than the lingering memory of distant words spoken in the distant past.
-- Path of Destruction
And Sidious writes in BoS that Korriban's nexus has only continued to decline in the millennium since:
Korriban has lost potency over the past 7000 years, but it still whispers of dark secrets.-- Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side
So the nexus of Korriban by 23BBY, just a year prior to the Clone Wars, would've indeed been virtually, if not entirely, negligible.
Then note the fact that Dooku moved the cruiser (right after several other vehicles) very easily despite not even being in the same room (that room being a huge hangar). It's a monstrous feat, and frankly, easily better than any of Malgus' feats in Deceived.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Shit, we're still citing Dooku's cruiser feat? Lmfao.
What's wrong with it? Regardless of what Jude Watson's use of the "cruiser" has involved historically, this ship that was thrown was clearly one of very large proportions and it was done with extreme ease despite Dooku being located a significant distance away. Most of the cited "circumstances" that people use to deride the feat have been debunked as well.
It's just unnecessary and, frankly, annoying. I never see Dooku's handling of Asajj Ventress, Sora Bulq, Obi-Wan Kenobi, etc. cited, nor his performances against Mace Windu, Yoda, Anakin Skywalker, etc. It's always this one ****ing feat from this one obscure source that is effectively worthless given how irrelevant it is and how many unknown variables is included (with the Dooku supporters trying to dismiss them, but those against it constantly citing it in an endless circle). I'd understand if Dooku only had these couple novels to draw feats from, but god damn, every time I see a Dooku discussion it's these ****ing ships. Forget the fact he's bringing down Ventress with a finger. Forget the fact he's holding his own against Yoda. Forget the fact he's manhandling Obi-Wan. Gasp, a Sith Lord of significant status can manipulate relatively sizable ships with ease on the homeworld of the Sith! Who gives a ****? Focus on what counts.
Dude, where are you looking? His ragdolling of Obi-Wan, contention against Yoda and the Y: DR feat against Ventress are some of his most oft-cited feats (at least, I like to cite the Ventress feat, but the other two are universally used). I agree that his incapacitation of Sora with a single burst of Lightning (seemingly a casual one, at that) is very impressive and needs to be mentioned more, though.
That being said, Dooku, like Palpatine, is a character whose Force feats revolve more around destroying other characters rather than destroying the environment like Vader. It's a scaling-heavy approach, so when you have a titanic environmental feat that doesn't require scaling, it's naturally going to attract a lot of attention.
Didn't Az just pull off Asajj/Obi scaling on the last page and primarily focus on it? It wouldn't be a problem to not mention Dooku throwing ships if TOR wankers don't feel the need to try and make up debunked excuses for said feat in whatever thread Tyranus gets mentioned.
It's the one that's attacked most just 'cuz, in an attempt to undermine the idea that Dooku can actually hurl sizeable ships, which quite frankly even standard PT Jedi Masters can do(citing K'kruhk as an example).
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
BS. Significantly less than this ship feat.
Not in my case, and not in the case of quite a few others. Although I agree the ship feat has gained a lot of traction since it was posted, but I explained why above. It's Dooku's best environmental feat. The rest of them are scaling-oriented.