"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
Originally posted by slayne👆
edit: Turns out I'm an idiot lol.
In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can.
-Databank: Father
Mystery on Mortis! Sent to discover the origin of a mysterious distress call, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano are stranded on a distant planet. There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before.
-The Clone Wars: Altar of Mortis
The Son was not a Sith -- his powers existed beyond the domain of the Sith Lords.
-Encyclopedia: Son
The first quote fails to provide a date-stamp. Are they referring to the Ones as we see them in TCW, or an earlier time frame? My bet is TCW.
The second is after TPM and AotC.
The third is in the past tense, so no indication it's referring to TPM / AotC and not TCW.
Looks like Sidious is more powerful than the Son in TPM / AotC, but is temporarily surpassed in TCW due to the Clone Wars conflict increasing the Son's powers. 🙄
riiight 😂
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The first quote fails to provide a date-stamp. Are they referring to the Ones as we see them in TCW, or an earlier time frame? My bet is TCW.The second is after TPM and AotC.
The third is in the past tense, so no indication it's referring to TPM / AotC and not TCW.
Looks like Sidious is more powerful than the Son in TPM / AotC, but is temporarily surpassed in TCW due to the Clone Wars conflict increasing the Son's powers. 🙄
riiight 😂
What the hell are you on? Obviously those quotes refer to TPM and AotC lmao.
I hope this isn't what people are basing vaylin's "shipbusting" capabilities on this:
"With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of."
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)
While the above is incredibly impressive, breaking apart ships over a period of time isn't remotely the same as ship busting.
Originally posted by Azronger
Quote and context, please.[/b]
It's on the Cipher Nine storyline, when I find it I'll send it to you.
HoT is factually a sub-Dooku duelist, and battlefield feats =/= ability in personal combat, or else Windu > Yoda. And nothing I've seen from Malgus would consider me putting him above even Kenobi, Force-wise
LMFAO. HoT doesn't need to be Dooku level to correctly rate Malgus' form, the same way a coach doesn't need to be better than his players to avail them. He just need to be capacitated for that - and HoT is.
Malgus submitted utterly to the dark side, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated.Source: Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side
His "battlefields feats" are clearly linked with his capacity as a "exemplary warrior".
Battlefieldnoun
1.
the field or ground on which a battle is fought.
2.
an area of contention, conflict, or hostile oppositionSource: dictionary.com
Battlenoun
1.
a hostile encounter or engagement between opposing military forces:
2.
participation in such hostile encounters or engagements:
3.
a fight between two persons or animals
4.
any conflict or struggleSource: dictionary.com
Evidently, Malgus' talents in personal combat are included in the quote. Quote about Windu? And even if there's one, we know from a significant number of sources that Yoda > Windu. Unless you can provide the same for Malgus (an exception to the rule that was estabilished by Sidious' accolades) your counter exemple(?) does not have validity.
Malgus deaccelerating and holding back a freighter trying to take off is almost as good as Dooku's cruiser throwing, even on conservative estimates. After that Malgus received a huge power up that made someone who could compete with him to be one-shotted. And then, he had more than a decade of growth where his "understanding of the Force grew daily". Obi Wan had visible strain to "tk pilot" and cloak Organa's ship in space, so we know his limits aren't much above than that.
That's not Ventress-tier and she was amped by the lightsaber blade she absorbed.
Ventress best TK feat other than throwing pre-prime Obi Wan around with circunstances is causing an avalanche and destroying parts of ceillings. Unless you think the lightsaber absorption multiplied Satele's powers, her feat is still mostly valid.
Outlander has absolutely nothing on Kenobi's level, and what ship-busting capabilities? Vaylin's Maelstrom attack sucked - at best it only cracked stone.
Perhaps her Maelstrom was focused on the guy that was just some inches away from impalling her, instead of focusing on the walls? The animation clearly shows the walls are on the very border of her Maelstrom and not close.
Arcann didn't dominate him in sabers - or even close - and the Outlander has what Force feats to make this impressive, exactly?
KoTET Outlander is more powerful than the guy who dominated him before. Likely by a fair margin.
When did Vaylin bust ships? And she didn't one-shot anyone; Arcann and Senya were simply caught off-guard. Note how in the dark side version she does the same attack and Theron Shan and Lana Beniko - utter fodder - are completely unharmed, implying very much they were simply caught off-guard and not actually hit by the attack - same with Arcann and Senya./quote][quote]
With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)
This "they were caught off guard!!11" meme is bizarre! They are staring at a hysterical and unstable woman who happen to be immensely powerful (for their standards).
Arcann and Senya were incapacitated by around thirty seconds - you can clearly see their bodies on the floor when the Outlander's resisting the Maelstrom. That's an undeniable one-shot. Unless you can prove the Dark Side playthrough is canon, your observation about Theron and Lana is utter irrelevant, since they were knocked out as well.
I don't mind your PT wank but you simply refuse to admit that some TOR characters can hold their own against PT powerhouses.
"Obi Wan had visible strain to "tk pilot" and cloak Organa's ship in space, so we know his limits aren't much above than that."
What? Obi wan held together, guided, and cloaked that ship "without breaking a sweat". He also did it for a lengthy period of time and this was kenobi less than a year post aotc.
And vaylin never "busted ships". She "tore them" over a lengthy period of time.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
What? Obi wan held together, guided, and cloaked that ship "without breaking a sweat".
I was certain it stated something about that he "breathed heavily" or something like that when he finished the proccess. Anyway, quote on "without breaking a sweat"? Also, Organa had partial control of the ship as well.
He also did it for a lengthy period of time and this was kenobi less than a year post aotc.
Unless the that part of the book is incomplete, Obi Wan only did that during the docking proccess, that is, the approximation and deacceleration to dock on the space station.
And vaylin never "busted ships". She "tore them" over a lengthy period of time.
Where's the "lengthy period of time" on the text? lol
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
I was certain it stated something about that he "breathed heavily" or something like that when he finished the proccess. Anyway, quote on "without breaking a sweat"? Also, Organa had partial control of the ship as well.Unless the that part of the book is incomplete, Obi Wan only did that during the docking proccess, that is, the approximation and deacceleration to dock on the space station.
Where's the "lengthy period of time" on the text? lol
To say this was close to his upper limit is false.
Credit: Clone Wars: Stealth
2. Yes the point being he did it for a sustained period of time rather than a few seconds
3. The point is she didn't instantly or simultaneously do it. She ripped apart the ships over an unknown period of time. That is not remotely close to shipbusting
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1. "He floated a starship with the Force. A whole starship. And he didn't even break a sweat." Additionally Kenobi had grown more powrful even months after the showing, let alone the 2 plus years he had to grow which included the outer rim sieges:
"the dark side smothered his feeling for the future; torqued and twisted the light side, rendering it opaque. He was so much more sensitive to it now. Another legacy of Zigoola. Which he supposed was a good thing, even though it made him feel ill. He felt a constant hum of nausea, malignantly whispering."To say this was close to his upper limit is false.
Credit: Clone Wars: Stealth
And Malgus, after he slowed down and held back the freighter at full throttle, increased his powers to the point he could one-shot Aryn Leener (which he couldn't do earlier), after he abandoned his feelings towards Eleena, which Aryn noted to generate conflict on him. Then, after that, he had more than a decade of growth where his "understanding of the force grew daily."
Malgus' feat is already superior considering the forces involved and Malgus had even more growth.
2. Yes the point being he did it for a sustained period of time rather than a few seconds
On another point, the ship was in the space, in the absence of forces like gravity which certainly made Kenobi's work much easier. The only thing remotely impressive in this feat is the deacceleration process. This sustained period of time is one or two minutes at most and after Obi Wan stabilised the ship, Organa retained at least partial control of it as well.
3. The point is she didn't instantly or simultaneously do it. She ripped apart the ships over an unknown period of time. That is not remotely close to shipbusting
She did when she attacked the camp - a single time! Considering the fact she was likely more focused on killing the Knights instead of blowing up ships for lulz and considering Lana states that Vaylin may be city buster tier, the destruction of the ships was probably just a side effect of her actions and not even the focus of it.
1. I'm not trying to make a comparison here. But no, Malgus's feat is not at all on par with, let alone superior to kenobi's. Malgus momentarily held back a dropship, Kenobi simultaneously cloaked, guided, and held together a 40 m freighter and did so for a much longer period of time. Additionally while malgus not only took all his effort to perform showing(and still failed) Kenobi performed his showing, "barely breaking a sweat". Kenobi had a much better showing, with much less effort. I on't care address you speculations on growth but kenobi's feat is far superior, even considering he had aid given all the things he was doing.
2. The feats way more impressive than malgus's.
3. What does her doing it a "single time" prove?
I'm not addressing the rest which is baseless speculation
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1. I'm not trying to make a comparison here. But no, Malgus's feat is not at all on par with, let alone superior to kenobi's. Malgus momentarily held back a dropship, Kenobi simultaneously cloaked, guided, and held together a 40 m freighter and did so for a much longer period of time. Additionally while malgus not only took all his effort to perform showing(and still failed) Kenobi performed his showing, "barely breaking a sweat". Kenobi had a much better showing, with much less effort. I on't care address you speculations on growth but kenobi's feat is far superior, even considering he had aid given all the things he was doing.
Razor was actually used as a freighter as well, lol. Malgus arrived late at the landing pad and still managed to deaccelerate and hold it back for some seconds, despite the full power of it's engines trying to break away from his grasp. Engines capables to accelerate at dozens and hundreds of G's.
So, you speculate about Kenobi growth but don't like when I do the same with Malgus? lol
2. The feats way more impressive than malgus's.
No, it isn't. Obi Wan didn't even had to counter gravity. All he had to do was to stabilize the ship and navigate with the inertia. The fact is Obi Wan operated under one G, Malgus operated under several dozens or even a few hundreds of G's.
3. What does her doing it a "single time" prove?
She destroyed it in single attack. She didn't attack the camp multiple times.
I'm not addressing the rest which is baseless speculation
It's you who's speculating saying she did it on "certain length of time" when there's no evidence for that, actually, quite the contrary (Lana stating Vaylin could potentialy destroy a city).
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The first quote fails to provide a date-stamp. Are they referring to the Ones as we see them in TCW, or an earlier time frame? My bet is TCW.The second is after TPM and AotC.
The third is in the past tense, so no indication it's referring to TPM / AotC and not TCW.
Looks like Sidious is more powerful than the Son in TPM / AotC, but is temporarily surpassed in TCW due to the Clone Wars conflict increasing the Son's powers. 🙄
riiight 😂
Mortis is supposed to be outside of Time and Space though, is it not?
Hence any quote that calls the Son the most powerful refers to every point in time simultaneously, or none at all. If it's none at all, then Sidious' don't apply to him either, so either way it works.