Originally posted by Beniboybling
What false equivalence is this? The ability to wreck civilisations doesn't mean he can kill Sheev. 😂Regardless you didn't respond to my point, there is no evidence that Izak can withstand Palpatine's powers. 👆
Izaz > Tyth. Also regarded as world devourer. Keep trying
Originally posted by SunRazer
Vader deflects a lightsaber barehanded in Dark Lord. Citing him being hit without his defenses up is obvious; not even Valkorion could tank a lightsaber as we see with the Outlander's blade running through him. Although Vader has been able to endure repeated lightsaber blows without succumbing, which is more than I can say for Valkorion.And get this: Valkorion dies to mere blaster shots if you're a non-Force using class. And Vader has indeed tanked blaster fire and near-enough shrugged it off. Palaptine has shrugged it off completely. So again, where are you heading with the comparisons?
Darth Vader endured several lightsaber blows due to his body armor. Darth Malgus has also endured several lightsaber blows FYI.
Force shield does not stops a blasterbolt.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI never said that? On the other hand you want me to buy that one has to be invincible to survive Tyth? 😆
You want me to buy your argument that Palpatine has solution for everything, that he is invincible? 🙄Izaz > Tyth. Also regarded as world devourer. Keep trying
My bad meant Tyth, not that he would wreck Izak too.
So again, what evidence is there that he'd withstand his powers?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Point is Force shield. It does not protects you from every kind of external threat. Force-users have developed different types of defenses for different types of threats.Darth Vader endured several lightsaber blows due to his body armor. Darth Malgus has also endured several lightsaber blows FYI.
Force shield does not stops a blasterbolt.
You seem unhinged. Regardless, even without Force shields, Vader and Palpatine have tanked blaster bolts. Whereas Valkorion died to one. Checkmate. 👆
Originally posted by SunRazer
That wouldn't be unfair given that you thought as much of Valkorion not too long ago.
Every character has his share of strengths and weaknesses. You cannot just transfer every aspect of Valkorion to Palpatine without any logical basis.
If Palpatine was that powerful, why he needed a Death Star to terrorize people? Who couldn't he set an example like Ziost?
You guys tend to pick and choose best details of a character, mash them and construct a superficial portrayal of a character here. Totally ignoring weaknesses and context in the process. This is not a sound judgement.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We don't know what kind of technique/power Valkorion applied to destroy that kind of weapon. Valkorion himself remarked that no kind of superweapon can overcome him. We just have knowledge that his words carry weight in this regard.Every character has his share of strengths and weaknesses. You cannot just transfer every aspect of Valkorion to Palpatine without any logical basis.
If Palpatine was that powerful, why he needed a Death Star to terrorize people? Who couldn't set an example like Ziost?
Right, but I recall in other threads that you believed Valkorion had near-enough no weaknesses. Or have you backtracked on that?
Valkorion's claims could just mean that even if a superweapon destroys his physical form, his spirit would persist. In no way does that mean his physical form would emerge unscathed or anything of the sort. You want proof? His death from a blaster shot in KotFE. While Palpatine shrugs off being hit by a blaster bolt. That's all assuming that Valkorion's claim is credible, which we have no reason to believe. Dooku claimed that he was more powerful than any Jedi — right before he failed to hurt Yoda and fled the battle. Taking a dark sider's claims of personal power at face value is a big no-no.
But Palpatine was that powerful. Have you ever read DE? Palpatine didn't need the Death Stars; Tarkin and others did. Palpatine simply awarded them such playthings. I mean, by that metric, why did Valkorion need the Eternal Fleet or the army or anything at all?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Some spirits mortally wounded Palpatine on Korriban.
That never happened. If you're referring to the incident in BoS, you don't know how long ago it was, lol. It could've been him in his early years of training. Not that mortal wounds were mentioned anywhere.
In DE, Palpatine was staving off ancient Sith spirits in his genetically sabotaged body. Spirits were no threat to him then. 👆
Originally posted by SunRazer
Right, but I recall in other threads that you believed Valkorion had near-enough no weaknesses. Or have you backtracked on that?Valkorion's claims could just mean that even if a superweapon destroys his physical form, his spirit would persist. In no way does that mean his physical form would emerge unscathed or anything of the sort. You want proof? His death from a blaster shot in KotFE. While Palpatine shrugs off being hit by a blaster bolt. That's all assuming that Valkorion's claim is credible, which we have no reason to believe. Dooku claimed that he was more powerful than any Jedi — right before he failed to hurt Yoda and fled the battle. Taking a dark sider's claims of personal power at face value is a big no-no.
But Palpatine was that powerful. Have you ever read DE? Palpatine didn't need the Death Stars; Tarkin and others did. Palpatine simply awarded them such playthings. I mean, by that metric, why did Valkorion need the Eternal Fleet or the army or anything at all?
Valid point. He may also have the ability to infilitrate a target and sabotage it from within. His incredible conventional defenses not withstanding. He might have deflected energy beams of Izax back towards it. Who knows?
Palpatine's robes might have offered protection? Ever thought like this?
Valkorion is noted for destroying Izax. Entire Empire of Zakuul was aware. We have a tangible showing here.
Palpatine spent 5 years on Byss, consolidating his powers before making his move. I am not questioning his wisdom to create armies. However, if you can discipline the rebels singlehandedly, you set an example. You don't just rely on conventional stuff to do your bidding.
Point is that their might be realistic limitations to what Palpatine can achieve on the ground. He conjured a Force Storm to wipe out a fleet but it was all in space. However, it may not be practical for him to conjure that kind of power in the battlefield where he is present. That power might also be slow to destroy a world. Death Star could eliminate a planet with a single shot.
Valkorion's Consume Storm was really practical for the battlefield on the otherhand. It swiftly exterminated everybody on the planet. He wasn't physically present there either.
Originally posted by SunRazer
That never happened. If you're referring to the incident in BoS, you don't know how long ago it was, lol. It could've been him in his early years of training. Not that mortal wounds were mentioned anywhere.In DE, Palpatine was staving off ancient Sith spirits in his genetically sabotaged body. Spirits were no threat to him then. 👆
Please don't lie.
S_W_LeGenDMe makes a good point about Force Storms, in that I don't believe we can be very sure how combat applicable they are. And it's worth pointing out others, such as Freedon Nadd, could also use them, so it's hard to say how much of a reflection of power being able to use them even is, especially when you look at Sidious's own words when he describes how he summons them.
Nothing else Sidious has done is that impressive in the grand scheme of things imo.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Valkorion was killed by a blaster and trapped in a holocron, his words are 100% bullshit.
Valkorion was stabbed from behind while his attention was diverted towards the Outlander.
He also destroyed that holocron. At this point, he stated that bring anything to the table - a holocron; a superweapon - it won't be enough.