Supergirl Vs General Zod

Originally posted by Silent Master
As an example, all of Cap's feats have been mentioned in debates. From Cap sending people flying to his throwing a motorcycle or stopping a helicopter and you know it.

Actually, not all of his feats are consistently mentioned. Such as the bulldozer, which hardly ever gets brought up by anyone, and which outstrips any of his other strength feats by quite some margin. And that's likely because the sheer gap between that and his other feats are enough to make a lot of people question it and treat it as an outlier.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Actually, not all of his feats are consistently mentioned. Such as the bulldozer, which hardly ever gets brought up by anyone, and which outstrips any of his other strength feats by quite some margin. And that's likely because the sheer gap between that and his other feats are enough to make a lot of people question it and treat it as an outlier.

Agreed, I don't think I've ever mentioned the bulldozer feat.

BTW, have you noticed that h1 ran away as soon as I posted proof that I've mentioned non high-end feats for Cap?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Agreed, I don't think I've ever mentioned the bulldozer feat.

BTW, have you noticed that h1 ran away as soon as I posted proof that I've mentioned non high-end feats for Cap?

Also, here is an example of me pointing out how strong Luke Cage is compared to the middle-aged Asgardian from AoS (in response to Robtard), without mentioning his highest end strength feat (the SUV stop):

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It was a knife/short sword combo, from about the 0:20 mark. 😛

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On a random note, that's a pretty sweet sword. The blade can expand from dagger to sword length as needed, as seen at the 0:30-31 mark.

Well, the low-tier Asgardian feats aren't really anything above what Luke can do. Luke smashed his way out of prison, after getting his powers, and was casually crumpling up gun barrels etc. at multiple points in his series, and even started trash compacting a steel dumpster by pushing down on it, when interrogating Turk Barrett to get info. But yeah, the conversation between Loki and Heimdall makes it clear that he is well above a normal Asgardian. Like I said, Loki had been around Asgard for about a 1000 years, so if he asked the Odin fear question, he likely believed there was some grounds for the question to have merit.

Notice how I use a consistent mid-range feat (like the crumpling guns), and I only mentioned one of the instances where he smashed through concrete, even though there are multiple. He has other high end feats that I did not bring up at all.

Thank you, That makes two examples. Even though only one example was needed to prove his claim wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop lying. Everyone here only mentions the highest showings for the character they want to win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thank you, That makes two examples. Even though only one example was needed to prove his claim wrong.

Three actually. 😛

The two quotes plus the fact that the bulldozer feat is almost never brought up for Cap. If people only used the highest end feats, the bulldozer push would be brought up in every Cap thread.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Three actually. 😛

The two quotes plus the fact that the bulldozer feat is almost never brought up for Cap. If people only used the highest end feats, the bulldozer push would be brought up in every Cap thread.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, here is an example of me pointing out how strong Luke Cage is compared to the middle-aged Asgardian from AoS (in response to Robtard), without mentioning his highest end strength feat (the SUV stop):

Notice how I use a consistent mid-range feat (like the crumpling guns), and I only mentioned one of the instances where he smashed through concrete, even though there are multiple. He has other high end feats that I did not bring up at all.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not lying at all. Claiming that [B]everyone just uses one-off non-combat feats, while ignoring multiple combat feats inconsistent with it, is the lie here. There are plenty of examples in threads of people factoring in a combination of multiple fighting and non-fighting feats (not just a few non-combat high-ends) to argue threads. Also, what low showings for Thor are you referring to exactly? In what instances did he notably under-perform compared to his usual levels?

Your statements about arrow distances (because he has defended against multiple at this point) makes me question whether you have watched the show. And where exactly is your 70mph number coming from? The fastest human punch I am aware of is by Keith Liddel, which was registered at 45mph. I also notice how you completely ignore Iron Fist. [/B]

Dude. No one does what you are saying. People automatically mention bifrost explosions (without stating his low showings), flying landmass feat, and other one off feats, etc.

There is no combat feat consistent with several of Thor high end combat feats.

Fighting with Loki, IM, Hulk, etc. are inconsistent with his high end portrayels. Even Thor's lightning is inconsistent.

Peak humans in MC can strike with speeds 70mph or faster. Characters in MC>>>> real life humans. They send people flying through the air with their attacks.

I ignored IF because I haven't seen the scene. And if he did catch a bullet under normal circumstances then he will operate at around that level in a forum fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is me mentioning Cap sending me flying with hits

Your claim was that "everyone always uses high-end only" you have now been provided with 3 examples of people mentioning non-high end feats. thus your claim was wrong. If even after you have been provided proof, you refuse to admit that you were wrong, that means you are now purposely trying to deceive people and by your own definition would be considered a liar.

So, which is it.
1) Were you wrong
2) You're currently a liar.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't even know what you are talking about until I looked it up. No one knows about feat without watching AOS. So it doesn't count.
And it wasn't a feat shown by Cap. Cap was said to supposedly did it faster. We don't know. Plus the coefficient of static friction could have been anywhere from 0.3 to 0.6. That means the feat is worth 3 to 6 tons.
Finally, I have a problem using AOS feats to support Marvel movie characters.
So it's many reasons people don't bring up that feat. And none of them are because it's a super high end showing.

AOS is part of the Marvel canon, so that alone shouldn't be the issue with using the feat. The issue was that it's heresay and inconsistent with his other feats.

But if you think it could be as low as the 3 to 6 ton range, then it wouldn't really be all that inconsistent.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't even know what you are talking about until I looked it up. No one knows about feat without watching AOS. So it doesn't count.
And it wasn't a feat shown by Cap. Cap was said to supposedly did it faster. We don't know. Plus the coefficient of static friction could have been anywhere from 0.3 to 0.6. That means the feat is worth 3 to 6 tons.
Finally, I have a problem using AOS feats to support Marvel movie characters.
So it's many reasons people don't bring up that feat. And none of them are because it's a super high end showing.

What kind of nonsense is that? So, you're arguing that if you are ignorant of a feat it's not usable? What a joke. You also claimed there were no canonical comics to the MCU until I literally linked you a page showing them in another thread, so you just seem generally ignorant in that regard. Plenty of people who don't watch AoS know about it. I only started watching that show long after I knew about the feat. Hell, I still haven't watched the episode where it actually happens. And I see you pulling more numbers out of your ass with no sources. Also, what you personally have a problem with is completely irrelevant. AoS is canon to the MCU. That >>> your feelings.

Originally posted by h1a8

Crumbling guns one of the highest showing. You know how much force that takes? Certainly far more than most (if not all) Luke has done.
You were arguing for Luke yet used his highest feats ever. You proved my point.

He's stopped a speeding, multi-ton vehicle dead in its tracks (and wasn't even breathing hard afterwards), casually pulled the door off a small safe (with one hand), overpowered both Jessica Jones' arms with one of his own (during an actual fight), knocked over a load-bearing support pillar while injured, and punched his way out of multiple tons of rubble (after the rocket launcher + building collapsing on him), just to name some other feats. What's more, when he does it consistently throughout the show (like he does with guns), it not a high-end one-off (unlike the key). It becomes a consistently portrayed level of strength. So, no, I did not prove your point at all.

Originally posted by h1a8

Dude. No one does what you are saying. People automatically mention bifrost explosions (without stating his low showings), flying landmass feat, and other one off feats, etc.

There is no combat feat consistent with several of Thor high end combat feats.

Fighting with Loki, IM, Hulk, etc. are inconsistent with his high end portrayels. Even Thor's lightning is inconsistent.

No, no one else does what you are doing (focusing on a select few non-combat high-ends while writing everything else that contradicts it off as PIS/plot writing). Plenty of people reference his fights with those characters, including those who argue for him. And we are not just talking about Thor. You claimed people only do that for all the characters (plural) they want to win. Which is not true. At best, some people do that, but hardly "everyone".

Again, what are these low showings? He has shown that he can take Loki out pretty easily if he gets serious, he was slowly wearing down Tony's armour while not taking any damage in return, and he was doing decently against the Hulk despite not using anywhere near his full arsenal of powers.

Originally posted by h1a8

Peak humans in MC can strike with speeds 70mph or faster. Characters in MC>>>> real life humans. They send people flying through the air with their attacks.

I ignored IF because I haven't seen the scene. And if he did catch a bullet under normal circumstances then he will operate at around that level in a forum fight.

By all means, prove that un-enhanced humans in the MCU throw punches at 70mph or more. And once you do that, prove that that's the standard that should be applied to any high-end un-enhanced humans in forum fights, which is what the discussion is about.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
AOS is part of the Marvel canon, so that alone shouldn't be the issue with using the feat. The issue was that it's heresay and inconsistent with his other feats.

But if you think it could be as low as the 3 to 6 ton range, then it wouldn't really be all that inconsistent.

What's funny is how he is claiming that people just focus on things like the BiFrost and such, while ignoring Thor's combat showings, when I can recall multiple instances where you, and other posters, have made references to those fights while arguing in favour of Thor in threads.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What's funny is how he is claiming that people just focus on things like the BiFrost and such, while ignoring Thor's combat showings, when I can recall multiple instances where you, and other posters, have made references to those fights while arguing in favour of Thor in threads.

I know that I've mentioned the Thor vs Hulk fight before, I even gave a blow by blow description of it once because IIRC carver was questioning how many times Thor dodged the Hulk's attacks.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I know that I've mentioned the Thor vs Hulk fight before, I even gave a blow by blow description of it once because IIRC carver was questioning how many times Thor dodged the Hulk's attacks.

I'm still waiting to find out what these "low" showings are as well.

Originally posted by Placidity
This is a very misleading comment. Most people's understand this to mean (based on scientific theories) near light speed or beyond.

Flash was only around Mach 2 when he first time travelled. Obviously the ability to time travel is not based on speed alone.

CW's Flash's stated speeds are not impressive IMO (compared to other notable TV/Movie speedsters). There may be a few calculated feats that are decent, but I treat them as outliers for now.

Yeah, the time travel stuff is wonky, though this feat by Barry where he creates a bunch of after images in impressive IMO:

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Originally posted by h1a8
Whatever feat is best (fighting or non fighting) is the one we go with.
For instance, if a character has the capability of moving and reacting faster than the speed of sound but, due to plot, the writer has them without that ability in fighting scenes then they have the ability in a forum fight since there is no plot to stop them.

SG, and all krpytonians universally (from all media) have class 100 strength and supersonic speed. No feats are needed.

Finally
Characters power levels fluctuate from scene to scene.
Everyone here has used character's non fighting feats (that contradicts their fighting scenes) to support their forum representative (even Thor).
We got Thor surviving Bifrost, helping to destroy the flying landmass, etc.

You obviously have never been in a fight. Martial artists who can break concrete blocks with their hands during demonstrations seldom are able to apply that same sort of power in a fight.

Martial Artists who are capable of doing extremely precise spinning kicks in demonstrations have trouble using it in real fights.

Everyone here has used non-fighting feats, that is true, but it was supported by fighting feats as well. You, on the other hand, are relying purely on non-fighting feats and haven't even provided single fighting feat to support your argument.

Seeing as this is an actual fight, please provide the best fighting feat of SG.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I know that I've mentioned the Thor vs Hulk fight before, I even gave a blow by blow description of it once because IIRC carver was questioning how many times Thor dodged the Hulk's attacks.

Yeah I've done the blow by blow account of that fight as well. But Hulk fans like just skipping to the last bit.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah I've done the blow by blow account of that fight as well. But Hulk fans like just skipping to the last bit.

I did a blow by blow, including the number of times Thor dodged from a hit and the number of clean hits Hulk landed. Hulk fans love to ignore it.

Anyway, I remember season 1 SG having something like 2-3 training sessions with her sister. She even admitted that she was a crappy fighter and had to learn to fight. Unless S2 had given SG a boost in skill then she's really got nothing on Thor. Despite the non-flashy moves that Thor does you'd be surprised at how easily he evades and blocks attacks.

But come Ragnarok, I bet we'll get an even better understanding of his skill. I can already see a number of Wonder Woman vs. Thor threads coming out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So 88mph.

👆 Well played.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What kind of nonsense is that? So, you're arguing that if you are ignorant of a feat it's not usable? What a joke. You also claimed there were no canonical comics to the MCU until I literally linked you a page showing them in another thread, so you just seem generally ignorant in that regard. Plenty of people who don't watch AoS know about it. I only started watching that show long after I knew about the feat. Hell, I still haven't watched the episode where it actually happens. And I see you pulling more numbers out of your ass with no sources. Also, what you personally have a problem with is completely irrelevant. AoS is canon to the MCU. That >>> your feelings.

He's stopped a speeding, multi-ton vehicle dead in its tracks (and wasn't even breathing hard afterwards), casually pulled the door off a small safe (with one hand), overpowered both Jessica Jones' arms with one of his own (during an actual fight), knocked over a load-bearing support pillar while injured, and punched his way out of multiple tons of rubble (after the rocket launcher + building collapsing on him), just to name some other feats. What's more, when he does it consistently throughout the show (like he does with guns), it not a high-end one-off (unlike the key). It becomes a consistently portrayed level of strength. So, no, I did not prove your point at all.

No, no one else does what you are doing (focusing on a select few non-combat high-ends while writing everything else that contradicts it off as PIS/plot writing). Plenty of people reference his fights with those characters, including those who argue for him. And we are not just talking about Thor. You claimed people only do that for all the characters (plural) they want to win. Which is not true. At best, some people do that, but hardly "everyone".

Again, what are these low showings? He has shown that he can take Loki out pretty easily if he gets serious, he was slowly wearing down Tony's armour while not taking any damage in return, and he was doing decently against the Hulk despite not using anywhere near his full arsenal of powers.

By all means, prove that un-enhanced humans in the MCU throw punches at 70mph or more. And once you do that, prove that that's the standard that should be applied to any high-end un-enhanced humans in forum fights, which is what the discussion is about.

Your claim was that we only use high end feats.we have provided three examples that prove your claim incorrect. At this point you only have two options 1. Retract your claim or 2. You're a liar.

Pick one

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your claim was that we only use high end feats.we have provided three examples that prove your claim incorrect. At this point you only have two options 1. Retract your claim or 2. You're a liar.

Pick one