How the hell can Superman beat Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Philosophía
If I punch you in the face, is you getting punched in the face a side-effect?

It's literally defined by it being intent, so this is quite the stupid thing to say.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/side--effect

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/side%20effect

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/side-effect

If you punch me in the face with your fist because you wanted to give me a black eye, it's both correct to say "Phil gave me a black eye" and "As a side effect of Phil's punch, I got a black eye".

Just depends what you want to emphasize, and it doesn't depend on whether or not you cared more about giving me a black eye than punching me with your fist.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Are you, like, going to just ignore this part:
Saying he created a blackhole isn't 'like saying he shot one out of his hand', anymore than saying Firestorm creating salt means 'he shot salt out of his hand'. Jesus. F*cking. Christ. Goober.

Or are you going to feign you didn't just say something incredibly stupid?

Originally posted by Smurph
If you punch me in the face with your fist because you wanted to give me a black eye, it's both correct to say "Phil gave me a black eye" and "As a side effect of Phil's punch, I got a black eye".

Just depends what you want to emphasize, and it doesn't depend on whether or not you cared more about giving me a black eye than punching me with your fist.

If I wanted to give you a black eye and punched you in it, is the black eye a side effect, or the primary effect of what I wanted?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Firestorm creating salt is a matter of transmutation, the blackhole was specifically attributed to an energy discharge by Surfer... not the same thing.

I take it you're as good at physics as you are at knowing what words mean.

Take a hike, read how black holes are created, then come back to me.

Hey Smurph how you doing? Been a while...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Morg still had the WOL till the whole thing with Tyrant. It became less powerful over time, but some of it still remained.

No, he didn't. The writer didn't take it into account and there is no mention of it in any issues Morg appeared in.

Direct character showings are frequently subject to some level of PIS, uber feats are what seperate the mid heralds from the high heralds.

And Uber feats are what separates Superman from high heralds. He is in a league of his own.

It's why Thor and Superman are in a tier above BRB and Captain Marvel on KMC.

Thor is wrongly placed above BRB. Superman is and always was above Cap when he actually cuts loose and has defeated Captain Marvel straight up and almost beat him to death.

Surfer just doesn't has the quality or quantity of Superman's high end feats. Superman's average is Surfer's high end feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. The writer didn't take it into account and there is no mention of it in any issues Morg appeared in.

And Uber feats are what separates Superman from high heralds. He is in a league of his own.

Thor is wrongly placed above BRB. Superman is and always was above Cap when he actually cuts loose and has defeated Captain Marvel straight up and almost beat him to death.

Surfer just doesn't has the quality or quantity of Superman's high end feats. Superman's average is Surfer's high end feats.

As for the rest... blah, blah, blah... feats still hold significant weight on KMC. If you don't like it, try to get the mods to change it.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If I wanted to give you a black eye and punched you in it, is the black eye a side effect, or the primary effect of what I wanted?

I take it you're as good at physics as you are at knowing what words mean.

Take a hike, read how black holes are created, then come back to me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He still had it when the whole Tyrant thing went down. Consider it a retcon if you like, but it's still actuat to say that he beat Morg w/WOL because the recton deemed it to be so.

Yeah, I need to see this retcon before you go any further.

As for the rest... blah, blah, blah... feats still hold significant weight on KMC. If you don't like, get the mods to change it.

Yeah, they do. Just not as much as you think. Surfer can't even singe Superman's hair by feats if you want to go by that route.

Superman has actually tanked a black hole that was pulling whole multiverse in. Try to beat that if you want.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I know how THAT black hole was created... because of Surfer's energy discharge. It's right there on panel.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
I know how THAT black hole was created... because of Surfer's energy discharge. It's right there on panel.

Like I said, this is another topic you're clueless. Read on it, then come back.

oh man, i cannot wait to read through this thread... the desire to read is nearly enough to make me late for my own bday celebration. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I need to see this retcon before you go any further.

Yeah, they do. Just not as much as you think. Surfer can't even singe Superman's hair by feats if you want to go by that route.

Superman has actually tanked a black hole that was pulling whole multiverse in. Try to beat that if you want.

And hey, I haven't been trying to compare Supes and Surfer in this thread, I've only been addressing Surfer's feat. Then you chimed in with your typical "feats aren't what matter" type of arguement and here we are.

Happy Birthday you old coot.

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Originally posted by leonidas
oh man, i cannot wait to read through this thread... the desire to read is nearly enough to make me late for my own bday celebration. 😂

Originally posted by RadZoa
How can a bloodlusted Superman beat a bloodlusted Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Surtur
Why wouldn't a bloodlusted Surfer just create kryptonite? Or red sun radiation? Or both?

Red sun radiation is not an insta-lose for Supes. He's flown through Krypton's red sun before ffs.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Black holes aren't created by shooting energy randomly. It involves compression of matter.

Like I said, this is another topic you're clueless. Read on it, then come back.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Talk to Ambient, he's the one who pointed it out to me a while back.

I debunked Roldz claim a few years back actually. I know everything about that claim.

And hey, I haven't been trying to compare Supes and Surfer in this thread, I've only been addressing Surfer's feat. Then you chimed in with your typical "feats aren't what matter" type of arguement and here we are.

Yeah, random feats don't matter in large scale of things. Even in the same series we see Surfer going all out against T&A and no black holes are created or he even managed to do anything to them.

Only relative performance matters and Surfer is piss poor in that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Can't get any clearer than that.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If I extend my fist to punch you in the face, is you getting punched in the face a side-effect and my fist being extended a primary effect?

It's literally defined by it being intent, so this is quite the stupid thing to say.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/side--effect

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/side%20effect

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/side-effect

Here, let me help you out Phil:

Merriam-Webster: a secondary and usually adverse effect (as of a drug) toxic side effects —called also side reaction

Dictionary.com:
2. any accompanying or consequential and usually detrimental effect

As I said, cherry picking definitions.

The black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of an energy blast. It's worth specifying that the black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of a different action that Surfer took because, intended or otherwise, it emphasizes that the black hole was created indirectly, and therefore with greater ease.

Man, if only we had a word for that.... mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
I debunked Roldz claim a few years back actually. I know everything about that claim.

Yeah, random feats don't matter in large scale of things. Even in the same series we see Surfer going all out against T&A and no black holes are created or he even managed to do anything to them.

Only relative performance matters and Surfer is piss poor in that.

Not on KMC. On KMC feats matter and since this is the place where the debates are taking place that's just the way is whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Smurph how you doing? Been a while...

It has been... I was gone for a bit, and I wasn't sure if you were still lurking here or not.

Originally posted by leonidas
oh man, i cannot wait to read through this thread... the desire to read is nearly enough to make me late for my own bday celebration. 😂