Originally posted by SmurphExcept it was stated as his main goal.
You really helped clear up that Surfer generated a black hole... as a secondary effect to his energy discharge.
It didn't say he discharged energy in honor of Airwalker. It says he "generated " a black hole.
Let me know if you want to understand what the bolded part means.
Originally posted by Smurph
Pretty good! You?It has been... I was gone for a bit, and I wasn't sure if you were still lurking here or not. Happy birthday... don't party too late, old man. woot
Originally posted by SmurphThe Surfer wanted to create a blackhole, and the energy blast was specifically for that purpose. If the sole purpose of the energy discharge is to create a black hole, that is its primary effect, and not a side-effect.
The black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of an energy blast. It's worth specifying that the black hole was an accompanying, consequential effect of a different action that Surfer took because, intended or otherwise, it emphasizes that the black hole was created indirectly, and therefore with greater ease.Man, if only we had a word for that.... mmm
I'll ask you the question again, try not to dodge it this time, smurphy:
If I wanted to give you a black eye and punched you in it, is the black eye a side effect, or the primary effect of what I wanted?
Originally posted by darthgoober
You refusing to acknowledge the validity isn't the same as "debunking".
I don't do you. There is literally nothing that indicates Morg had WOL.
Roldz being a silver surfer fanboy latched to an imaginary argument and then ran away.
In hindsight he is your colleague after all.
Not on KMC. On KMC feats matter and since this is the place where the debates are taking place that's just the way is whether you like it or not.
Oh I like it. That's why I know Superman can not be even hurt by Surfer because he tanked a multiversal black hole.
But wait, that does not matters, right? Only surfer gets the high end feats. All others are done by averages? Right?
@abhi..
Here is a couple energy blast use by Surfer In defeating his opponents.
And yes that's Morg with WOL, the same Morg that survive the ultimate Nullifier.
The same Champion that walk through Thanos blast, should be how he is written.
Then there is also this, the same guy that survive said so black hole.
Originally posted by abhilegendSurfer generates a black hole to honor his friend's passing...that obviously means he didn't intend it, and it was just a side effect!
Except it was stated as his main goal.It didn't say he discharged energy in honor of Airwalker. It says he "[b]generated
" a black hole.Let me know if you want to understand what the bolded part means. [/B]
~ Smurph
Since we're on birthday theme, it's like saying somebody lighting the candles of Leo's cake would be a side-effect of the fire.
Originally posted by Cogito
Someone want to post actual scans of the entire black hole incident?Not that it really matters as Superman has held a black hole in his hands.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641900&pagenumber=1#post16177954
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't do you. There is literally nothing that indicates Morg had WOL.Roldz being a silver surfer fanboy latched to an imaginary argument and then ran away.
In hindsight he is your colleague after all.
Oh I like it. That's why I know Superman can not be even hurt by Surfer because he tanked a multiversal black hole.
But wait, that does not matters, right? Only surfer gets the high end feats. All others are done by averages? Right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't do you. There is literally nothing that indicates Morg had WOL.Roldz being a silver surfer fanboy latched to an imaginary argument and then ran away.
In hindsight he is your colleague after all.
Oh I like it. That's why I know Superman can not be even hurt by Surfer because he tanked a multiversal black hole.
But wait, that does not matters, right? Only surfer gets the high end feats. All others are done by averages? Right?
Originally posted by abhilegendWell, I've been helping Phil with definitions, so I got you covered on this one: generated does not mean 'main goal'.
Except it was stated as his main goal.It didn't say he discharged energy in honor of Airwalker. It says he "[b]generated
" a black hole.Let me know if you want to understand what the bolded part means. [/B]
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/generated
And also, a main goal can be an "accompanying, consequential effect".
Originally posted by Philosophía
The Surfer wanted to create a blackhole, and the energy blast was specifically for that purpose. If the sole purpose of the energy discharge is to create a black hole, that is its primary effect, and not a side-effect.I'll ask you the question again, try not to dodge it this time, smurphy:
If I wanted to give you a black eye and punched you in it, is the black eye a side effect, or the primary effect of what I wanted?
If you punched me in the face, no, I don't think that I would describe the black eye as the primary effect of the punch, even if it was your priority, or the only effect you cared about causing.
I would tell you that the primary effect would probably be pain.
Obviously this is all a matter of perspective, which brings us back the point: it's worth specifying that the black hole was an "accompanying, consequential effect", because it underlines that Surfer created it in a roundabout way, which emphasizes the ease with which he did it. It offers that perspective.
There are more particular ways that you could describe the feat, I just don't think this way is wrong, and I think it better emphasizes the important part of the feat (imo) than simply saying that Surfer created a black hole.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer generates a black hole to honor his friend's passing...that obviously means he didn't intend it, and it was just a side effect!~ Smurph
Since we're on birthday theme, it's like saying somebody lighting the candles of Leo's cake would be a side-effect of the fire.
Originally posted by Ambient
@abhi..Here is a couple energy blast use by Surfer In defeating his opponents.
And yes that's Morg with WOL, the same Morg that survive the ultimate Nullifier.
Hahaha, what? Thing and Spider-Man have survived Ultimate Nullifier as well.
Surfer and Morg's combined blast defeated Morg as Morg was already dazed when he crash landed on the planet.
The same Champion that walk through Thanos blast, should be how he is written.
LMAO, what? Are you back for your yearly ass whooping?
That's Champion before he got the power gem. In fact he got the gem at the end of the arc in SS v3 18. Are you really that desperate?
Then there is also this, the same guy that survive said so black hole.
Surfer didn't even ko Ravenous AFTER he killed his curr.
Don't send a surfer to do a ronan's job.
That's some black hole level attack right there.
Originally posted by Smurph
If you punched me in the face, no, I don't think that I would describe the black eye as the primary effect of the punch, even if it was your priority, or the only effect you cared about causing.I would tell you that the primary effect would probably be pain.
Why is it a side-effect, when the intent of my action is specifically for that effect?
Tell me, smurphy, what is the primary effect of Silver Surfer's blast, so that the side-effect is the black hole?
Originally posted by Smurph
Obviously this is all a matter of perspective, which brings us back the point: it's worth specifying that the black hole was an "accompanying, consequential effect", because it underlines that Surfer created it in a roundabout way, which emphasizes the ease with which he did it. It offers that perspective.
How would he do it in a non-roundabout way?
Originally posted by darthgoober👆
Yup I still like to lurk, me going back to actually bothing to chime in my 2 cents is still a relatively recent even though. Most of the time it's not worth the trouble.
I'm not around super often anymore but I visit sometimes. Probably whenever I get a break between school or work projects.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except when they suit your agenda, they don't.👆
Originally posted by Smurph
Well, I've been helping Phil with definitions, so I got you covered on this one: generated does not mean 'main goal'.
Except when it's the only thing mentioned as a product.
Surfer didn't "generate" an energy blast, he "generated" a black hole.
If you want, I can make it even simpler smurphy.
And also, a main goal can be an "accompanying, consequential effect".
Except that's just contradictory. But at least you amended that the creation of the black hole was main goal.
It's a start.
