Originally posted by Sin I AMnever doubt the DC lovers. They can prove that Batman can consistently damage heralds, dodge light speed attacks, tanks hits from skyfathers, and is smart enough to beat Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, and The Doctor all in a prep battle.
^^pretty much. I just assumed anyone voting for the team was trolling.
It also helps that Hercules is apparently going to stand there and let them hit him while they strike from the shadows like silent commando ninja assassin's.
Originally posted by cdtm
Very true.Now lets see scans of them dodging moons.
That's the point I'm getting at. If Superman and Plutonian fought in a city, Batman would need to dodge an island, bare minimum. Maybe he can, he IS Batman. 🙂
And while Herc is no Plutonian, he can upend THE ENTIRE BATTLEFIELD. Literally.
He can just rip a mountain sized chunk of the ground and dump it over, if that's what it took.
Based on what?
Because if you are relying on the scan of him upending Manhattan - see the very next few panels, which are often missed out (I wonder why??)
Originally posted by deathslash
never doubt the DC lovers. They can prove that Batman can consistently damage heralds, dodge light speed attacks, tanks hits from skyfathers, and is smart enough to beat Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, and The Doctor all in a prep battle.It also helps that Hercules is apparently going to stand there and let them hit him while they strike from the shadows like silent commando ninja assassin's.
Isn't a silent commando ninja assassin - almost exactly what Batman is???
And yeah. I've shown multiple instances of Nu-52 Bats doing what no human can do. Dodging Ultra Vision, Superman, affecting Superman with his weaponry, taking hits from WW etc...
It's not like I'm even using feats from 1970 or some wacky Silver Age story, either. These are all from comics where the issue numbers are still in double digits, lol, from the past 10 years.
Originally posted by carver9
One of the strongest and most durable Heralds in comics vs two meta's. Hhhhmmm, I don't know who to give the nod too.
Well...
Originally posted by carver9
I already know the answer. I focus on combat showings but I'm trying to see if others are on the same page.
By combat showings, Batman and Cap are WAAAAAY up there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on what?Because if you are relying on the scan of him upending Manhattan - see the very next few panels, which are often missed out (I wonder why??)
And the Manhattan pulling feat was revealed to be BS, too. To a lesser extent, as it happened, but he didn't pull shit, he just asborbed the shockwaves.
That leaves Herc with the Atlas feat as his best... and it cannot be quanitified.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And the Manhattan pulling feat was revealed to be BS, too. To a lesser extent, as it happened, but he didn't pull shit, he just asborbed the shockwaves.That leaves Herc with the Atlas feat as his best... and it cannot be quanitified.
👆 I believe it was me who broke that story on KMC.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on what?Because if you are relying on the scan of him upending Manhattan - see the very next few panels, which are often missed out (I wonder why??)
Isn't a silent commando ninja assassin - almost exactly what Batman is???
And yeah. I've shown multiple instances of Nu-52 Bats doing what no human can do. Dodging Ultra Vision, Superman, affecting Superman with his weaponry, taking hits from WW etc...
It's not like I'm even using feats from 1970 or some wacky Silver Age story, either. These are all from comics where the issue numbers are still in double digits, lol, from the past 10 years.
Well...
By combat showings, Batman and Cap are WAAAAAY up there.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And the Manhattan pulling feat was revealed to be BS, too. To a lesser extent, as it happened, but he didn't pull shit, he just asborbed the shockwaves.That leaves Herc with the Atlas feat as his best... and it cannot be quanitified.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And the Manhattan pulling feat was revealed to be BS, too. To a lesser extent, as it happened, but he didn't pull shit, he just asborbed the shockwaves.That leaves Herc with the Atlas feat as his best... and it cannot be quanitified.
Bah, he doesn't even need that.
Ripping open a mountain and placing Hulk in is quite enough here. If he can't lift a city, he can certainly lift a small island and enough area to catch them on it, then dump. Even near featless DC Thor did this much to Barda in one of the New God lines (I think Byrne's JK4W)
(Also, ftr, Herc caught Godzilla's heel and dumped her on on her butt. I'd say that ranks up there.)
Again why are people talking about Hercules' "Manhattan feats" as if he'd need anything near that level to destroy these two?
Let's recap : Two human beings (one of them an extremely low level meta human) are fighting against an elite low herald immortal in a SWELTERING jungle while covered in heavy clothing.
Hercules wins. End of thread.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Batman is now going to not throw Batarangs, but will instead throw his entire body at Herc?Despite possessing one of the most strategic brains in DC,AND the benefit of Cap (who knows Herc well) on his team???
Idiocy.
Carver, just stop. It's embarrassing at this point.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, I believe so. Another myth busted 👆It was hilarious to see leo's disappointed face... I heard he tore all of his Herc posters from the walls in his bedroom.
pfft that hulk scan never says he didn't pull the city and some editorial comment posted later isn't actual confirmation either. at best the feat is ambiguous, nor was it ever something i put a great deal of stock in anyway. it never made tons of sense and he's held the heavens anyway, so the feat is small taters relatively. there are many arguments to be had against what, if true, is one of the weakest retcons ever. and again, even supposing the retcon is what it seems, it simply becomes a great durability feat instead of strength--absorbing the powers of an earthquake that would have shatter manhattan is fantastic. herc wins either way. 😛
anyway, as regards this thread--i do note a generally tendancy to look at many of bats' high end tech feats. i'm not going to show a bunch of scans that show his weaponry isn't always shown to be capable of hurting superman....though i do wonder how superman being harmed by bats' toys would play out in a superman thread. /shrug
herc has withstood lightning bolts from thor and zeus, and walked through blasts from the skrull god kly'bn. even if he didn't pull manhattan, he's been shown holding it in place and keeping it from being torn in half. could some of bats high end stuff hurt herc? sure. but it's not putting him down. cap is actually pretty useless in this fight imo. his shield would annoy, likely get grabbed at some point and then he's effectively out of the fight.
there has been some discussion about how they are so much smarter and more skilled, so could just dodge and attack and keep doing this over and over again. so it's super intelligent of them to just duck and hit? i don't see that as particularly brilliant--i see it as their best, their only strategy, like herc destroying and weaponizing the bf and making things random is his best strategy. their weapons WILL run out though and staying hidden when there is a veritable hurricane of wood and rock coming at you isn't exactly a given and MIGHT make throwing things....challenging. if he leaps and decides to fully unload on the ground the bf would literally be decimated. he could tunnel underground and just start tossing massive chunks of ground. how far away would they be? if he just starts upending 0.5km of ground and tossing and smashing it what are they gonna do? he'd be impossible for them to hit, even if throwing sh!t through a hurricane of shrapnel didn't somehow dissuade them.
i honestly don't see the team having any real chance in this fight. you'd literally have to use the teams highest feats and use herc's lowest to give them some sort of chance, but that's not how we do things here. or we shouldn't.