Manchester terror attack- 19 dead, 50 wounded

Uuuurgh.... Why does this topic come up again. You all circle around religious or political dogmas like a quartet of turds swirling round and round the shitter.

Look, as to this specific disaster, Which is a terrible tragedy, the person involved was, to my understanding, a radicalised islamic extremist. Now, the conversation should never have gone beyond this into persecution territory.

But, apparently, some people, even on here absolutely MUST perpetuate the cycle of hate and violence even against those that had nothing to do with the actual crime. It's no different than every other situation debated in this section over the past six months. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy that normally rational people still cannot seem to get over.

Leech hates all muslims in general it seems,even though only a tiny minority of them ever get radicalised and weaponised by a bunch of warmongering old men with axes to grind.

Fly and Surter seemingly hate left wing politicians and everything they stand for and will never compromise.

Bashar and Robtard equally seemingly hate the right wing politicians and everything they stand for and will never compromise.

And the thing is, this mutual disdain bleeds into every post in every thread here... There can be no victory in the morass.

Fly & Surt hate Islam too lol.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fly & Surt hate Islam too lol.

I love this response. Why? Because the other person insulted both sides, but you sadly felt you had to come add something to it. To try to unbalance this out, I am guessing. If that was your goal you failed 🙁

I know I know, you totally weren't doing that.

You deny it? 😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You deny it? 😂

No, I don't deny that is what you tried and failed to do.

Btw as I've said before: I despise all religions.

Good to know, do your best to get out of that cycle of hate man.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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Leech hates all muslims in general it seems,even though only a tiny minority of them ever get radicalised and weaponised by a bunch of warmongering old men with axes to grind.

Fly and Surter seemingly hate left wing politicians and everything they stand for and will never compromise.

Bashar and Robtard equally seemingly hate the right wing politicians and everything they stand for and will never compromise.

And the thing is, this mutual disdain bleeds into every post in every thread here... There can be no victory in the morass.

im always open to constructive criticism from otherwise rational people, but on a case by case basis where they might be appropriate. what i don't appreciate is the way you're trying to fit myself (and rob the retard) snuggly into your false-mean egg carton.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
im always open to constructive criticism from otherwise rational people, but on a case by case basis where they might be appropriate. what i don't appreciate is the way you're trying to fit myself (and rob the retard) snuggly into your false-mean egg carton.

Is he wrong though?

All I see is pissing contests whenever I check this forum out.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Bashar and Robtard equally seemingly hate the right wing politicians and everything they stand for and will never compromise.

eg I thought Kasich was a decent Republican candidate and wanted him to win the nom, that way if a Republican won, it'd be a sensible Republican in the WH.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Leech hates all muslims in general it seems,even though only a tiny minority of them ever get radicalised and weaponised by a bunch of warmongering old men with axes to grind.

kudos for not being selectively hypocritical, at least.

We like to leave that to the Leftist Experts on being Hypocrites....Like You Bashy!

People blaming Muslims or Islam in general for this are ridiculous and idiotic. It has nothing to do with religion or the sacred text people worship, it's all the same horrible bullshit. I find religion in general to abhorrent (It has good and bad) and a tool people in power use to manipulate others through fear and terror. But blaming one over the other is ridiculous. Christianity is just as bad and was used as an excuse for terrible inhumanity very recently:
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/

10 million and that was only one European colony.

History is littered with examples like this.

I agree. We should blame the Individuals for their actions
instead of what they use an excuse for their actions.

And Politics have killed more people then religion....So I say lets blame the Politicians for all this Murdering BS!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
People blaming Muslims or Islam in general for this are ridiculous and idiotic. It has nothing to do with religion or the sacred text people worship, it's all the same horrible bullshit. I find religion in general to abhorrent (It has good and bad) and a tool people in power use to manipulate others through fear and terror. But blaming one over the other is ridiculous. Christianity is just as bad and was used as an excuse for terrible inhumanity very recently:
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/

10 million and that was only one European colony.

History is littered with examples like this.

No offense, but your response is ridiculous. Nobody here has ever said that Islam is the only religion people have used as an excuse to butcher others. So please drop that asinine narrative, it doesn't help your argument.

Also, nobody said Islam is the only religion with holy texts with horrible stuff in it. Again: stop this ridiculous line of argument.

Nobody said history isn't filled with examples of others committing atrocities. Also you posting a link to something that apparently is from 1904 is meaningless. We are talking about current events. In the modern day, terrorism tends to come mostly from Islamic radicals. Not Christians. This does not mean Christians are 100% innocent, but they aren't going into concerts and exploding themselves for their imaginary friend in the sky.

If Christians were, in the modern day, committing acts of terror on the same level? Yes, people would be talking about them like they talk about Islam. Actually no, they'd be worse, because people do not tippy toe around insulting Christianity, that's just Islam that gets that special privilege.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
im always open to constructive criticism from otherwise rational people, but on a case by case basis where they might be appropriate. what i don't appreciate is the way you're trying to fit myself (and rob the retard) snuggly into your false-mean egg carton.

Personally Bash, that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just pointing out the fact that as it stands you guys have been beating the same dead horse with the same points over and over and over again for ages. It's not the same thing as what we all did with Quan in Movie Vs, because unlike that shitshow, this has no amusing or entertaining properties to it at all. That's not me putting you in a false-mean egg carton, that's me simply pointing out, from my own point of view, what is happening.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, buddy. I can only speak for myself, but I dislike the Far Right. The moderate Right, while I still disagree with many of their policies, they're not shitbags.

eg I thought Kasich was a decent Republican candidate and wanted him to win the nom, that way if a Republican won, it'd be a sensible Republican in the WH.

I'm a moderate center kinda guy myself, because I like to keep an open mind and hear all sides before reaching a decision. Especially on important things like how to run a government that is meant to represent the will of the majority of the people.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah Leech hates all religious people. I recall him at one point saying all religious people should be mocked and harassed out of existence or some such shit.

I'm not a religious person by choice. I once heard it put brilliantly that the term Faith was once used to justify past truths such as the Earth is the center of the Universe and that the Earth was flat. To question such 'truth' was considered sacrilege, heresy, and the sentence for such things back then was a painful death. This was true for most religions, because people were primitive. Back then, they needed something to believe in that was bigger than themselves. In the modern world, we have no need for dieties or symbols of power beyond our own, because we are ruled by two things: The almightly dollar, and the SCIENCE! of our technology.

Weird:

Report reveals number of jihadists in UK — and the total is horrifying

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Leech hates all muslims in general it seems,even though only a tiny minority of them ever get radicalised and weaponised by a bunch of warmongering old men with axes to grind.

Are all you people so dense that you can't distinguish between criticizing a set of beliefs (Islam) and hating a certain type of people? It's not the same thing. Beliefs influence behavior. If your beliefs are corrosive it has great potential to result in horrible behavior (as evidenced by Muslim Extremists). For Christs sakes, look at what the Koran says, Muhammad was a vile warlord. This isn't rocket science.

I see what Surtur is talking about now... people are much more ready to criticize Christianity as a set of beliefs, but the moment you step in to criticize Islam you're participating in hate speech. Why this double standard?

And the irony is that Christianity is based on Christ, basically a hippy crucified by the state for preaching love and Muhammad was a violent warlord. What, the, f#ck?

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Islam is not really a religion. It is a system of conquer of territory and acquisition of soldiers, with the instructions to turn the women into breeding cows for reproduction of more soldiers.

Considering the sacred texts on the subject, it's really no wonder mussies act the way they do. Any adherent in Britain who doesn't immediately denounce this 'faith' is no better than an accomplice to such attacks.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Are all you people so dense that you can't distinguish between criticizing a set of beliefs (Islam) and hating a certain type of people? It's not the same thing. Beliefs influence behavior. If your beliefs are corrosive it has great potential to result in horrible behavior (as evidenced by Muslim Extremists). For Christs sakes, look at what the Koran says, Muhammad was a vile warlord. This isn't rocket science.

I see what Surtur is talking about now... people are much more ready to criticize Christianity as a set of beliefs, but the moment you step in to criticize Islam you're participating in hate speech. Why this double standard?

And the irony is that Christianity is based on Christ, basically a hippy crucified by the state for preaching love and Muhammad was a violent warlord. What, the, f#ck?

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The most ironic fact is that any ideology can be misused and turned into a hyper agressive belief system. In this respect Islam is far from the only one.

I hold no protections for Islam, or Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or any other faith you can imagine, because they all share one common flaw - Not one of them can demonstrate a f@cking thing, and rely on blind faith to survive, and as I said before, blind faith can lead to warped ideals. The thing I find stupid is that this blind faith? The stupid and easily led will fight kill and die for it. Radicalized Christianity did it, and radicalized Islam is doing it now.

That being said, I am still openminded enough to know that the vast majority of Christians and the vast majority of Islamists don't desire the conflict, it's the closed minded few that perpetuate the violence.

I don't care if you want to criticize a religion, That wasn't the point I was raising. There is a massive difference between criticism and hatred, Leech. Learn it.