Manchester terror attack- 19 dead, 50 wounded

Originally posted by SaltySally
[b]More Addendum - A Final Solution:

This is a religion far more negative than it seems. That guy who blew himself up with a nail bomb killing and maiming dozens of teenage girls - he according to Islam is now living in paradise, because he killed infidel whores and degenerate non-Muslims.

This is 100% sanctioned by Islam.

And before anyone compares it again to road casualties or accidents happening at home - THIS IS ****ING DIFFERENT! We already do everything we can to be careful in the house or driving carefully having rules and cops. Anything else would literally have to ban driving, collapse civilization or tell you to stop going on ladders to screw in a light-bulb.

Preventing Islamic terror is simple:

1. Ban Islam
2. Close all mosques
3. Close all Islamic schools
4. Stop importing Muslims to the West
5. Tell the ****ing truth about Mohammed, Islam and his biography - he was not a holy man, this is not a religion of peace, this is a bloody medieval war cult that served only Mohammed and his followers - great for medieval war and we can acknowledge the great warriors from their culture who were no pussies, but we should not call this anything it is not. It is not a solution of Western problems - it is a ****ing cancer coupled with AIDS and syphilis.

I can understand people not wanting blanket hatred of Muslims. There are many who would never admit that Mohammed commanded them to do this or would never do this. But their religion tells it and many will do it. This will NEVER STOP UNTIL SOMEONES STOPS IT POINT BLANK.

If no one stops it, then Islam will dominate over the world in one shitty medieval sharia zone. The other alternatives are that the Global politicians will do a 180 and usher in either an Orwellian super-police state or a global war against Islam will be started. And this will cost more lives than my proposal of fighting back against the ideology right now.

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"Final Solution".

At least the terrorist didn't use funds from the UK taxpayers in order to fund this terror plot, like money from a student loan.

Oh wait...that happened.

Originally posted by SaltySally
Are you dense?

Darkstrom Zero Q : Where do these killings stem from, why do they do what they do?

Answer : Read the Koran

Surely that isn't too difficult to understand...

This. It really needs not be any more complicated than that, except I would add also look at who Muhammad was historically. For some reason people think that because there are peaceful Muslims that there can't possibly be anything wrong with Islam. There could not possibly be a more blatant fallacy.

We have to be able to criticize bad ideas, no matter how many people subscribe them them. Say I wanted to create a religion involving eating babies: Babies must be eaten to please the Great Cloud God (you can't prove there isn't a Great Cloud God!). Each individual must eat at least 6 babies per year to satiate the Great Cloud God's appetite for babies.

You are under no obligation to respect such lunacy. The same goes with Islam. It's complete hocus-pocus hogwash horseshit.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
This. It really needs not be any more complicated than that, except I would add also look at who Muhammad was historically. For some reason people think that because there are peaceful Muslims that there can't possibly be anything wrong with Islam. There could not possibly be a more blatant fallacy.

We have to be able to criticize bad ideas, no matter how many people subscribe them them. Say I wanted to create a religion involving eating babies: [b]Babies must be eaten to please the Great Cloud God (you can't prove there isn't a Great Cloud God!). Each individual must eat at least 6 babies per year to satiate the Great Cloud God's appetite for babies.

You are under no obligation to respect such lunacy. The same goes with Islam. It's complete hocus-pocus hogwash horseshit. [/B]

Another one who completely missed my point. I give zero shits for any religion, have at it if you want.

The ONLY objection I have ever had, was hating PEOPLE for shit they specifically didn't do, just because they happen to share the same faith as the people who did do it.

Allow me to put it like this. If I were a christian, I would hate for the hatreds and sins of that religion in the past to, for some reason, be attributed to me. It's no different to me than being falsely accused of crimes that will get me executed and they didn't bother investigating to find out that I was innocent.

If you were a Real Christian you wouldn't Hate. You would Forgive. 🙂

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Another one who completely missed my point. I give zero shits for any religion, have at it if you want.

The ONLY objection I have ever had, was hating PEOPLE for shit they specifically didn't do, just because they happen to share the same faith as the people who did do it.

Allow me to put it like this. If I were a christian, I would hate for the hatreds and sins of that religion in the past to, for some reason, be attributed to me. It's no different to me than being falsely accused of crimes that will get me executed and they didn't bother investigating to find out that I was innocent.

I don't think anyone is contradicting you on this point, at least I'm not. The innocent people of the faith are not to blame. The horrible ideologies of the faith are to blame. 🙂

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]If you were a Real Christian you wouldn't Hate. You would Forgive. 🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Another one who completely missed my point. I give zero shits for any religion, have at it if you want.

The ONLY objection I have ever had, was hating PEOPLE for shit they specifically didn't do, just because they happen to share the same faith as the people who did do it.

Allow me to put it like this. If I were a christian, I would hate for the hatreds and sins of that religion in the past to, for some reason, be attributed to me. It's no different to me than being falsely accused of crimes that will get me executed and they didn't bother investigating to find out that I was innocent.

It looks like the goalposts keep changing. First, it was that the terror attacks weren't motivated by religion, and the source of all this animosity came from some foreign policy regarding the short lived Mujahideen alliance; where the Mohammed's turned ugly after getting a goodies share of weapons - as the Koran would instruct them. Then it was that criticism of a, particularly hegemonic ideology, is ok, but like, we shouldn't hate it because... hatred is always a bad thing man... and never ever justifiable. Now it's that's every single practitioner of the muslim faith shouldn't come under scrutiny. I disagree with that last point. Unless, they're practicing Taqiya (a tenant which allows musfags to lie about their "religion"😉, or outright ignorant of their own faith, then they still covertly stand by the attacks, knowing full well that they're lauded by the doctrine they follow - an eternal paradise with 72 virgins. On top of that, I've been 'fortunate' enough to live in the Uk for some time, and time enough to know that most Muslims aren't model citizens to imitate, but that the majority are actually scum. To be completely honest.

Here's the truth of the matter. You haven't read the Koran. I have. This is why you're talking typical "I'm so clever because I'm an atheist" dismissive hand-wavy arrogant bullshit. Let's see your Christian terrorism list for the last 30 days, and we'll see if "there's not much difference between the two". Don't let your desire to be a super clever boy atheist edgelord get in the way of not being a dumbass, aye mate? You spergs always pick a class time to pipe up. Let's use this kids-blown-to-bits opportunity to troll about how Christians are no better. The only reason you do so online is because if you did it in real life right now in your avatar's country in public earshot you know exactly what would happen to you.

Fellow KMC members : Let's all buy him a ticket to Islamic State where he can say out loud "Islam and Christianity are exactly the same". I'll pay for the camera drone.

When Christians start regularly gang-raping girls in the street and driving trucks into crowds, I'll maybe consider Christianity and Islam being "two sides of the same coin." Still, that's probably because unlike Islam, Christianity went through this thing called a Reformation roughly five hundred years ago, in which the religion at large also decided it probably wasn't a good idea to burn heretics at the stake, or behead them. And for the past five centuries or so it's been in essentially a co-evolutionary spiral with Western democracy.

Compare that to Islam, where the last big split in the religion was roughly ten seconds after Muhammad (may he writhe in hell) carked it and his followers started killing each other over whether they or Teh Prophet's immediate family were to inherit his power. Or, as we call it these days: the Sunni/Shia division, the primary driver of religious war within Islam until they decided it would be cooler to start killing Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs instead. Only to have little spergs defend those actions on internet Forums. Christianity and Islam do not have anything in common at root. Christianity holds that Jesus Christ was the one and only Son of God, God himself that is. Show me a Muslim who's willing to believe that and I'll show you a guy who's due for beheading if he lives anywhere in the Middle East. That would include Afghanistan.

"Just because Christians dont do suicide bombs or terrorism, doesnt mean they're ideology is different. "

hang

Not murdering little girls vs murdering little girls is about as big of an idealogical difference you can have.

Originally posted by BaneofDMB *SNIP*

See this is an actual load of walrus kankers, and actually nothing at all to do with what I said. This is what happens when people full of hate and irrationality don't bother to read and go full retard because I don't fully agree with one ideology of hate over the other. Their ideology is a hate based on a few words from a pedo warlord from two thousand years ago. YOUR hatred is against anyone who seems to follow his word, even those who interpret it differently from the extremists, and feel they all should burn, men women and children all.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not defending any ideologies. I am trying to defend the principal of not persecuting the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. So instead of vomiting your irrational hatred at me, try reading my words.

As much as I disagree with the "blame all Muslims" position, ppl going "Christianity is just as bad" (while posting stuff that happened over 100 years ago as "evidence"😉 is just as ignorant.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
As much as I disagree with the "blame all Muslims" position, ppl going "Christianity is just as bad" (while posting stuff that happened over 100 years ago as "evidence"😉 is just as ignorant.

Actually I'd disagree, people saying modern day Christians are just as bad aren't just as ignorant, but actually far more ignorant IMO. It's the same with the geniuses who bring up the Crusades whenever a Muslim explodes himself.

You can tell there is a problem when people have had to dip back to 1904 in order to show shit Christians did. That was laughable, and yet the poster did it with a straight face whilst labeling others as ridiculous. Too funny.

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but I do wish that all the folk who get so up in arms over what they see as generalizing an entire group would get just as upset when people in this country do that for other groups, yet they don't. You can blame all whites for something, but the second it seems like you're blaming all Muslims for something? Suddenly now they care about generalizations.

Even worse is for something reason the most bloody and violent religion in the modern day seems to be the only religion to get a pass on things. There is a video that speaks volumes where they go around asking a bunch of people it would be okay for a Muslim to opt not to do something due to their faith. They all said it was okay. Then they were asked if a Christian could(you know, like the bakery incident) and the answers were of course consistent and the same as when asked about Muslims.

Ha just kidding, they said it was wrong for the Christians to do it. Perhaps you need to meet a certain quota of exploded people every year before you earn this special pass. Hell here I was thinking the season passes at Six Flags were costly.

Originally posted by BaneofDMB
Here's the truth of the matter. You haven't read the Koran. I have. This is why you're talking typical "I'm so clever because I'm an atheist" dismissive hand-wavy arrogant bullshit. Let's see your Christian terrorism list for the last 30 days, and we'll see if "there's not much difference between the two". Don't let your desire to be a super clever boy atheist edgelord get in the way of not being a dumbass, aye mate? You spergs always pick a class time to pipe up. [b]Let's use this kids-blown-to-bits opportunity to troll about how Christians are no better. The only reason you do so online is because if you did it in real life right now in your avatar's country in public earshot you know exactly what would happen to you.

Fellow KMC members : Let's all buy him a ticket to Islamic State where he can say out loud "Islam and Christianity are exactly the same". I'll pay for the camera drone.

When Christians start regularly gang-raping girls in the street and driving trucks into crowds, I'll maybe consider Christianity and Islam being "two sides of the same coin." Still, that's probably because unlike Islam, Christianity went through this thing called a Reformation roughly five hundred years ago, in which the religion at large also decided it probably wasn't a good idea to burn heretics at the stake, or behead them. And for the past five centuries or so it's been in essentially a co-evolutionary spiral with Western democracy.

Compare that to Islam, where the last big split in the religion was roughly ten seconds after Muhammad (may he writhe in hell) carked it and his followers started killing each other over whether they or Teh Prophet's immediate family were to inherit his power. Or, as we call it these days: the Sunni/Shia division, the primary driver of religious war within Islam until they decided it would be cooler to start killing Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs instead. Only to have little spergs defend those actions on internet Forums. Christianity and Islam do not have anything in common at root. Christianity holds that Jesus Christ was the one and only Son of God, God himself that is. Show me a Muslim who's willing to believe that and I'll show you a guy who's due for beheading if he lives anywhere in the Middle East. That would include Afghanistan.

"Just because Christians dont do suicide bombs or terrorism, doesnt mean they're ideology is different. "

hang

Not murdering little girls vs murdering little girls is about as big of an idealogical difference you can have. [/B]

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unfortunately for you, I'm not defending any ideologies. I am trying to defend the principal of not persecuting the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.

Originally posted by Surtur
Even worse is for something reason the most bloody and violent religion in the modern day seems to be the only religion to get a pass on things. There is a video that speaks volumes where they go around asking a bunch of people it would be okay for a Muslim to opt not to do something due to their faith. They all said it was okay....

....Perhaps you need to meet a certain quota of exploded people every year before you earn this special pass. Hell here I was thinking the season passes at Six Flags were costly.

Keep in mind the "moderate muslim country" often held up is Indonesia. You gotta do the two finger test if you're female and wanna join the army or be a cop.

But even more news from the moderate muslim country: Like 6 days ago two men were caned 83 times for gay sex.

So moderate, right? Don't you just wanna move there right now?

Two men in Indonesia endure public flogging for gay sex

My thing is, they only got flogged? No complimentary cordless bungee jumping lesson?

Moderate Muslims here in the States are very different from moderate Muslims of Indonesia. Yeah, that punishment doesn't sound like it would be good enough for Allah. Surprised it wasn't more harsh..

That is true the moderate muslims are different here. Yet if this country became one with a muslim majority we'd see changes most likely, and not positive changes.

Hey, as long as they keep voting Democrat, its all good right?

...I mean LEFT!!!!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
See this is an actual load of walrus kankers, and actually nothing at all to do with what I said. This is what happens when people full of hate and irrationality don't bother to read and go full retard because I don't fully agree with one ideology of hate over the other. Their ideology is a hate based on a few words from a pedo warlord from two thousand years ago. YOUR hatred is against anyone who seems to follow his word, even those who interpret it differently from the extremists, and feel they all should burn, men women and children all.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not defending any ideologies. I am trying to defend the principal of not persecuting the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. So instead of vomiting your irrational hatred at me, try reading my words.

And yet you seem to have no prob giving into the doctrine of Hate that the Leftist Progressive Movement teaches..

Moderate Muslims in the US >> Moderate Muslims in the UK.

The fact is, when there are fewer members of any foreign group coming to a western country, that group will almost always assimilate to said country's host culture. When masses of migrants from the same place have the red carpet rolled out for them, they don't see as much of a need to mix in with the larger crowd. Why would they? Enough of their own people are around to socialise/do business with. In the UK, the percentage of Muslims is greater and they also tend to live very close together. When the number of 'moderates' is large enough, they tend to become less moderate and more fundamental about their faith. I have seen this living (and going to school) in the UK. There is far greater animosity towards Muslims. Mostly because they've had a glimpse of how they operate when there's no self policing involved. And yes, as I said before, the majority are indeed scum.