Manchester terror attack- 19 dead, 50 wounded

Criticizing Islam as a set of beliefs is not at all the same as persecuting Muslims. If we value principles like freedom of speech and expression as we should, then Islam should be at the top of list of things to be dismantled.

And comparing the situation to what has been done to the Jews is not quite an exact comparison because Judaism is a religion and a race. And Muslims believe a very dangerous set of beliefs, more dangerous than what Jews believe, as is demonstrated every time some Islamic wacko blows himself up amongst innocent people.

Um, have you read even parts of the Torah/Old Testament? Cos...

'Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a15.htm

I have read both. And I can do it with out taking certain parts of it OUT OF CONTEXT like Leftists do.

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, have you read even parts of the Torah/Old Testament?

Well, yeah, that's bad. lol. But for whatever reason we don't see Jews committing the atrocities that Islamic folks do. At least not around the globe, perhaps more locally in the Middle East because that's just a shitstorm, but there's no "global Jihad" of Judaism.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg

A Muslim killed someone for drawing a picture of their prophet.

A Jew killed someone for drawing a picture of their prophet.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, yeah, that's bad. lol. But for whatever reason we don't see Jews committing the atrocities that Islamic folks do. At least not around the globe, perhaps more locally in the Middle East because that's just a shitstorm, but there's no "global Jihad" of Judaism.

It is funny to see groups like the Palestinians wanting to get rid of the Israelis seeing has how they have it WAY better in Israel then they would have it any other Muslim Run Country.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, yeah, that's bad. lol. But for whatever reason we don't see Jews committing the atrocities that Islamic folks do. At least not around the globe, perhaps more locally in the Middle East because that's just a shitstorm, but there's no "global Jihad" of Judaism.

Well, some would argue that the apartheid-like move Israel is doing with the Palestians is pretty terror-y.

But that aside, wouldn't that show that it's people and what they choose to do/not do with written words and not the religion itself?

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, some would argue that the apartheid-like move Israel is doing with the Palestians is pretty terror-y.

But that aside, wouldn't that show that it's people and what they choose to do/not do with written words and not the religion?

OMG...that is 2 really big plates of Leftist Hypocrisy there...And its GOOD AND HOT!

Gavin and the SAS guy gets it right.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Robtard
But that aside, wouldn't that show that it's people and what they choose to do/not do with written words and not the religion itself?

The religion itself does command global jihad. "Islamic Extremists" are not following doctrines that are only on some fringe outskirts of the religion. It is mainstream Islam. It's not some misinterpretation or distortion. It is Islam.

Yes, people bring their own morality to the documents all the time, but that improved morality does not come from the text.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The religion itself does command global jihad. "Islamic Extremists" are not following doctrines that are only on some fringe outskirts of the religion. It is mainstream Islam. It's not some misinterpretation or distortion. It is Islam.

Can you actually show this? Cos the Pope, who is an astute study of world religions denies this. He's said terrorist are not following the doctrines of Islam correctly. They're following their own skewed interpretations.

But the point was: even in Judaism we have the wholesale slaughter of infants in their religious text; yet Jews generally choose not to partake in this, just as Muslims (pop of 1.8bil) generally choose not to Jihad.

....Did Robbie just use something the leader of the Catholic Church in a somewhat Leftist Bias but kind of Postive way?

He is going to have to hand over his Marxist Atheist Club Dinning card if they find out.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can you actually show this? Cos the Pope, who is an astute study of world religions denies this. He's said terrorist are not following the doctrines of Islam correctly. They're following their own skewed interpretations.

I'm really not trying to defend Jewish scripture either. It's horrible also. I'm just pointing out that there are differences. Yeah, I'll repost something I posted in the Religion section...

Originally posted by Patient_Leech

The believers who stay at home--apart from those that suffer from a grave impediment--are not the equal of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home. God has promised all a good reward; but far richer is the recompense of those who fight for Him .... He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God .... The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies."

4:95-101

(The words of the Quran quoted in Red for the blood of infidels it intends to spill; praise be to Allah). "Inveterate enemies." That doesn't sound like it's preaching peace to me. You can do all sorts of verbal gymnastics to justify it, but the meaning is clear and it's not peace with non-believers.

I really am astonished that people can defend this religious bullshit and not admit to themselves and others that we (as humans) would be far better off without it. It's astonishing.

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Check out the website below...

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Islam apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally don't stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

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I'm not defending any religion either, as organized religion generally leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm not even an atheist. But this "it's Islam!" mentality is silly and imo, lazy and dangerous. Alienating the majority of Muslims is what terrorist groups desire.

No offense, but I'm taking the Pope's word; who is a well known religious study, over a website clearly made to slam Islam.

But are the Majority of Muslims "Islamists"?

Originally posted by Robtard
[B]But this "it's Islam!" mentality is silly and imo, lazy and dangerous. Alienating the majority of Muslims is what terrorist groups desire.

It's not just Islam. It's irrational belief in general. Islam is just a particularly virulent and dangerous strand of irrationality.

The Pope? F#ck him... he has a lot invested in religion, in case you haven't noticed. He's very diplomatically condemning terrorists while pleasing moderate Muslims.

Originally posted by Apparently_a_Nazi
It's not just *Jews*. It's irrational belief in general. *Judaism* is just a particularly virulent and dangerous strand of irrationality.

it DOES work!

Yeah, it also includes Politically driven Fanatics too...Like the Leftist Progressive Democrats.....who treat their politics like a religion.

yeah fly but you're a piece of human garbage, so topics concerning ethics kinda render you irrelevant.

Awwww how sweet. You the Grand Butt Pump Poobah of the Church of Leftist Dogma Doo You is.