Originally posted by BaneofDMB
Moderate Muslims in the US >> Moderate Muslims in the UK.The fact is, when there are fewer members of any foreign group coming to a western country, that group will almost always assimilate to said country's host culture. When masses of migrants from the same place have the red carpet rolled out for them, they don't see as much of a need to mix in with the larger crowd. Why would they? Enough of their own people are around to socialise/do business with. In the UK, the percentage of Muslims is greater and they also tend to live very close together. When the number of 'moderates' is large enough, they tend to become less moderate and more fundamental about their faith. I have seen this living (and going to school) in the UK. There is far greater animosity towards Muslims. Mostly because they've had a glimpse of how they operate when there's no self policing involved. And yes, as I said before, the majority are indeed scum.
It's one reason I think some people here in the US worry. We have enough crime here, we do not want to add bi-monthly terror attacks to the list of things we have to deal with.
Oh and it's kinda funny how this part of Jim Comey's testimony did not receive much coverage from the media:
FBI's Comey: 15% of terrorists came to US as refugees, at least 300
Or stuff like this:
Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order
So when people in the media were saying "nobody in these countries has killed anybody with terror attacks" what they omitted was "72 people from these countries came here and tried to commit attacks and luckily got caught and convicted before they could do so".
It's quite clever and manipulative, so I salute them for that. Since hey technically they didn't lie.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Yep, that pretty much nails it to a Tee. [/B]
No, seriously... Wot?
Because I don't follow the left or right. However, you seem to have no trouble handing out the labels and judging people by them. So perhaps you are the one who is giving in and spreading the hate?
I dunno, I'm not here to cast judgement like so many other people in this place...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, seriously... Wot?Because I don't follow the left or right. However, you seem to have no trouble handing out the labels and judging people by them. So perhaps you are the one who is giving in and spreading the hate?
I dunno, I'm not here to cast judgement like so many other people in this place...
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah Leech hates all religious people. I recall him at one point saying all religious people should be mocked and harassed out of existence or some such shit.
Just saw this.. Jesus H Christ, whut?? Never said that. But you're welcome to go to the hell you believe in if you want to put words in my mouth. Pretty douchey thing to do.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
As much as I disagree with the "blame all Muslims" position, ppl going "Christianity is just as bad" (while posting stuff that happened over 100 years ago as "evidence"😉 is just as ignorant.
Originally posted by Surtur
Actually I'd disagree, people saying modern day Christians are just as bad aren't just as ignorant, but actually far more ignorant IMO. It's the same with the geniuses who bring up the Crusades whenever a Muslim explodes himself.You can tell there is a problem when people have had to dip back to 1904 in order to show shit Christians did. That was laughable, and yet the poster did it with a straight face whilst labeling others as ridiculous. Too funny.
Firstly it's relevant when posters here are claiming that modern Muslims are terrorists because that's what their religion teaches them.
Because whether it happened in the time of the Crusades, or in 1904, or today, it's still relevant to that argument because Christians and Muslims still had the same teachings in all those time periods.
Second, I take it everyone has completely forgotten that when George Bush went to war in Iraq it was because "God told him to." What religion is he again? Oh and remind me how many innocents were killed in that war?
But if you were looking for something a bit more personal, then you can easily find examples of White Supremacist Christians murdering people for their Pro-White, Pro-Christian and Anti-Anything else agenda.
Here, this is a great example of how these kinds of things need to be handled:
British Muslim woman gets real on national TV: ‘Terrorism is…being imported right under our noses’
“I am a British Muslim, and I am very proud of my heritage, but I am also a realist and there is an elephant in the room here and unfortunately … there is an issue with regards to radicalization and extremism that does exist within our community,” the woman said, adding that it’s something “we have to deal with.”
She then referred to an audience member who earlier said he’d been handed anti-Western literature at Didsbury Mosque in Manchester, the Huffington Post UK said. The mosque was attended by accused bomber Salman Abedi and his family.
“We do have an issue within our mosques, within our religious institutions,” the woman continued. “We have children being taught the Wahhabi interpretation of the Quran, we have Saudi-trained clerics coming in and speaking to children as young as seven. … We have to do something about it.”
One idea she proposed is temporarily shutting down “all Saudi-financed mosques.” Her fellow audience members responded with applause.
The woman said that “terrorism is also being imported right under our noses.”
That assertion was challenged by a fellow audience member who said there were no longer any Saudi-funded mosques in the U.K., the Huffington Post reported.
But the woman was resolute: “Yes, there are. Yes, there are.”
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly it's relevant when posters here are claiming that modern Muslims are terrorists because that's what their religion teaches them.Because whether it happened in the time of the Crusades, or in 1904, or today, it's still relevant to that argument because Christians and Muslims still had the same teachings in all those time periods.
Second, I take it everyone has completely forgotten that when George Bush went to war in Iraq it was because "God told him to." What religion is he again? Oh and remind me how many innocents were killed in that war?
The real point is about the religion that is currently still embracing all these horrid texts.
I'm puzzled by your George Bush reference. Regardless of what he said he did not declare war on Iraq in the name of Christianity.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Sorry Salty, I'm not going to sit here and debate with you the reasons why one form of hatred is more justified than the other or not. All you do is escalate the cycle of hatred and vengeance no different than those you really do hate.You hate them, they hate you and both sides have their reasons, and I find both sides abhorrent for not being able to be reasonable and let go of the need for vengeance. Thats not me being naive or a dipshit, thats me expressing my exasperation at the sheer folly of it. Nobody wins in that scenario, and nobody ever will, but both sides feel the need to completely exterminate the other. Even though both sides are made up of human beings, and the only divisive factor is a set of relative, subjective, faiths... In the end, it is all bullshit that should never result in murder, nevermind genocide.
Good man 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
The real point is about the religion that is currently still embracing all these horrid texts.
No religion is doing that. The Quran hasn't changed in the last 15 years. But the political landscape has.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm puzzled by your George Bush reference. Regardless of what he said he did not declare war on Iraq in the name of Christianity.
Arguing over semantics? Really?
Surtur, I can't quote your post, but what the hell? Why are you quoting a random audience member from Question Time?
And btw Salman Abedi (the Manchester Bomber) was banned from Didsbury Mosque for his extreme views:
Originally posted by Surtur
So you think Iraq was some kind of holy war? What exactly is being said here?
Sure seemed like it:
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Surtur, I can't quote your post, but what the hell? Why are you quoting a random audience member from Question Time?And btw Salman Abedi (the Manchester Bomber) was banned from Didsbury Mosque for his extreme views:
I quoted them because I felt they made a good point and this is how Muslims should react to terrorism.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sure seemed like it:
Do you think the militant Muslims would take outspoken atheists into their ranks?