Originally posted by emu
Is it mental blocks or dynamic strength?Quick, before Abhi comes in yelling for both lol.
If you subconsciously use only 10% of your strength and in extreme situations tap into more till the 100% like in OWAW where it boosted Superman to at least 10 times his normal self, it's both.
Originally posted by JBL
Whose faster, OWAW superman or Flash?
First, it would be "who is," as "whose" is the possessive. But I'm not surprised.
As to your question, if we assume Superman in his Probe busting mindset has a similar boost in speed as he did show in strength and heat vision, then OWAW Superman is faster.
In fact, an Imperiex Probe caught Wally in Wally's only shown encounter with one(unless I missed something).
Take a good look at the last one. He didn't tag Wally, he literally grabbed Wally by the arm. Wally was caught off guard? Perhaps, but it makes a hard case that he's leaps and bounds faster than the Probe. Superman though, has fought one at super speed.
I'll be waiting for your metldown.
Originally posted by JBL
Was it you?
Nope, however I did **** your mom while she wore a Supergirl costume and you walked in on us thinking I was hurting her. You were so young, I wouldn't be surprised if you mixed that up as me dressed as Superman.
Originally posted by JBL
Originally posted by JBL
You're so delightfully declaring victory because I didn't immediately respond to you? I wonder how sad your life is that it's come to this. Since you think I'm running away in shame because I didn't respond on command, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just missed the question I gave you a while back in another thread. Unless you're a hypocrite? I'll be waiting for a response.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You believe you've definitively proven that Superman wasn't weakened when split. Explain then why he stated, both directly and implied, that he was weaker than before, multiple times, in SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK, which definitely is before merging back."Digging a 13 mile wide trench in the ocean floor.....is NOT as easy as it used to be."
"May not be what I was...."
"Not sure why, but my powers aren't what they were." "Whatever the case, it's taken a toll.....leaving me weaker than I care to admit."
"She can cut me?! Because I've gotten weaker?"
So, what mental gymnastics are you going to do now?
Originally posted by cdtm
When he's right, he's right.It's pretty common knowledge (Or should be) that Loeb was trying to push Supergirl as physically stronger then Superman. Gave an explanation that she spent more time under a yellow sun absorbing energy, had Kal use a green K ring to subdue her, and other tells.
And then, for whatever reason, this was retconned.
The "limiters off/probe busting" narrative is neither here nor there on that front, and was pretty clearly used as a sloppy retcon of everything he wrote prior.
Why, is anybody's guess.
Not really. Blue certainly seems to be arguing that Loeb whipped it up out of nowhere to satisfy editors to "keep the status quo."
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
-- immediately coming to mind for me is the run of one Jeph Loeb, who gave this "Hey, maybe Superman holds back!" explanation to draw to a close his re-introduction of one Kara Zor-El, aka Supergirl, circa 2004, in her second story arc. Been thinking a LOT about that lately. Been seeing in places where pro-Superman people have been tacitly admitting that explanation doesn't follow from anything Jeph put in his books, makes sense most rather, that some editorial mandate had been passed "Jeph, do something to make people think status quo has been preserved".
But he'd already written things about Superman holding back. In 1999.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining
These scans in particular are worth bringing up.
Last two scans have a couple pages between of the flashback of Clark preparing for and fighting a bully as a kid before his powers started developing. Didn't have anything specifically about him holding back, other than setting up that was the only time in his life he had hit someone as hard as he could, until the end against Doomsday.
As for her having absorbed more solar energy, that was a theory based on the panels in her ship. Her powers were still developing on Earth, so if anything they just had her get to the level she was at faster. Loeb already established him holding back, so her seeming to be superior because she doesn't have his restraint makes far more sense.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about him getting weaker? No one is denying that. The argument is him getting stronger than his base. It's like me using this scene in A superman vs Hulk debate saying that Hulk can absorb Superman heat vision and redirect it back at him...Consistency my friend, consistency.
Stronger than his base, like saying he felt his powers surging?
Or like going from powerless for a year and not absorbing sunlight to multiple jumps in his powers as needed?
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part1
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part2
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part3
Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about him getting weaker? No one is denying that. The argument is him getting stronger than his base. It's like me using this scene in A superman vs Hulk debate saying that Hulk can absorb Superman heat vision and redirect it back at him...Consistency my friend, consistency.
What was that villain called again?
Here is Byrne Superman Showing the psionic nature of Superman's powers.
Note this is Byrne Superman
First Superman is fighting the Fearsome 5 and he is having trouble fighting them.
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Superman is actually having an existential crisis on weather he should be 2 people
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last page
and BTW Have you seen that comic in which Superman took the force of the tanagarian engines jumping into hyperspace?
Superman took that while on this weakened mental state. also the whole comic in which he meets the GL corps and when they move the dwarf planet? yep that one was performed on a weakened mental state, just as when he had the split personality of Gangbuster
Originally posted by JBL
Hulk has displayed dynamic strength thousands of times in almost ALL his comics. These misguided superman fans run to two comics where superman fights DD and probes and claim he has dynamic strength. Lol. What about the ten million showings of superman that shows he doesn't???? The end
So you gleefully declare I've "run away in shame" because I didn't respond after 10 minutes, I reply, back my case, point-out that you missed my question to you elsewhere and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you're not a hypocrite, you're gone for 6 hours, then ignore my response and continue your bullshit mental gymnastics? Cry some more.
