Superboy Prime replaces Doomsday in DOS

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It probably won't be the last time, either, since I'm usually trying to illustrate a central concept when I do that.

Also, the comics DO support my stance, else you'd have been able to dismantle my argument long, long ago. There's a reason even a Superman fan like cdtm admits the Supergirl case smacks of editorial mandate, and that's because not only Loeb but nearly every writer during that time period gave evidence that Supergirl was, in comic book "fact" physically stronger than her cousin.

Yeah, Superman may be dynamic, but he's not THAT dynamic. Even after "leveling up" he still has a ceiling without outside aids. And that ceiling is lower than the height of Superboy Prime, who, in the very SCW (Sinestro Corps War) saga that the Originating Post of this thread mentions, lanced straight through Big Blue. Little more than a glance and Superman got perforated. He's not going toe-to-toe with a guy like that the way he did Doomsday. And it's doubly sure the Superman OF that earlier Doomsday era couldn't.

It was editorial mandate for Supergirl to look stronger than Superman at first.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If you subconsciously use only 10% of your strength and in extreme situations tap into more till the 100% like in OWAW where it boosted Superman to at least 10 times his normal self, it's both.

'At least ten times his normal self'

There's no dynamic strength anywhere in Supes history, apart from a few throw away lines in a few arcs to explain pis.
Being fans, you guys run with it. No problem with that, it is on panel.

But don't let lip service for the sake of a few story arcs confuse you as to what in character dynamic strength is. Hulk has it. He was born to it. Molded to it. Defined buy it.

That is dynamic strength, and without a certain story arc, Superman doesn't have it.

What he does have is a sundip 👆

Originally posted by Delta1938

As for the clips, I was groggy and whatnot when I saw them ...

Don't worry, buddy!

I am here for you!

The following clip even includes the 2nd of Superman's unexpected opening attacks on Kara!

You can watch it whenever your head clears for as long as YouTube let's it stay.

Enjoy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qQsLFC4Tcg

ermm

Nobody takes CW bullshit into account for such a garbage show.

I would swear Berlanti and company read some of the online debates fans like us have been having. Not content merely to have Kara beat Superman in a slugfest, they even make it clear Superman possessed all his physical strength during their trade off. While proof of THAT can be shown via YouTube clip:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F41HlVkg9bI

Originally posted by emu
This describes mental blocks.
So Superman hit his cap in owaw.

'At least ten times his normal self'

There's no dynamic strength anywhere in Supes history, apart from a few throw away lines in a few arcs to explain pis.
Being fans, you guys run with it. No problem with that, it is on panel.

But don't let lip service for the sake of a few story arcs confuse you as to what in character dynamic strength is. Hulk has it. He was born to it. Molded to it. Defined buy it.

That is dynamic strength, and without a certain story arc, Superman doesn't have it.

What he does have is a sundip 👆

Yeah, be civil or don't post. That goes for everyone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Nobody takes CW bullshit into account for such a garbage show.

I seem to recall you gushing about how great the portrayal of Superman was... mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, be civil or don't post. That goes for everyone.

I seem to recall you gushing about how great the portrayal of Superman was... mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, and I was proven wrong.

😂

Don't worry, I think it's crap too. How shoe-horned it was too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

Don't worry, I think it's crap too. How shoe-horned it was too.

It's comical how hard they are trying with giving every Superman related story to Supergirl.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it's just hilarious about how every male hero gets chumped. J'onn? Gets his ass kicked everytime. Mon-El? Character assassination of the century. Superman appears only to praise Supergirl.

It's comical how hard they are trying with giving every Superman related story to Supergirl.

It honestly smacks of what Arrow did by taking so much from Batman.

I mean, the obvious point is, this is a Supergirl show. She has to be the top dog in it. They just at the same time really seem to have issues sometimes with making everyone else look at least somewhat respectable.

It's that old issue of not making a female character look good unless she's making men look bad at the same time.

The feminism on that show is obvious even to the blind.

Male characters get chumped left and right.

It has it's funny moment's though.

Can't believe Blue is using this as his argument. He should know better by now.

And don't get me wrong I am all about giving props to women but Blue you a such a feminist that you are betraying your own sex imo unless you are a female. In that case you should be a little bit more equal, neutral and logical when it comes onto what we can be considered equal and what is sjw, imo anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it's just hilarious about how every male hero gets chumped. J'onn? Gets his ass kicked everytime. Mon-El? Character assassination of the century. Superman appears only to praise Supergirl.

It's comical how hard they are trying with giving every Superman related story to Supergirl.

Originally posted by emu
This describes mental blocks.
So Superman hit his cap in owaw.

'At least ten times his normal self'

There's no dynamic strength anywhere in Supes history, apart from a few throw away lines in a few arcs to explain pis.
Being fans, you guys run with it. No problem with that, it is on panel.

But don't let lip service for the sake of a few story arcs confuse you as to what in character dynamic strength is. Hulk has it. He was born to it. Molded to it. Defined buy it.

That is dynamic strength, and without a certain story arc, Superman doesn't have it.

What he does have is a sundip 👆

I can explain it to you more simple if you wish. The difference between the dynamic strength of Hulk and Superman.

Let's say Hulk starts with 10 Strength (0 Strength hold back), he gets angrier and it increases to 20 (0 Strength hold back), 30 (0 Strength hold back) and so on, potentially till infinity. The anger increases it, he is not getting something that is already inside of him.

Let's say Superman at base is 10 Strength (the Rest is hold back because of mental blocks and there is no limit). He fights someone like DD and sees that it's not enough and subconsciously drops a bit of his blocks, now he has 20 Strength (rest hold back), it's still not enough, he taps into 30 (rest hold back). Probably he doesn't even know the limit, he is afraid to hurt other people or kills his enemies, and those blocks prevent him from accessing all the power, only if the need/desperation arises to tap into it we can witness the potential iow when the Universe is at stake.

Supe

Yea that confirms emu is just trolling abhi

In other words and like John Byrne stated

"Superman is as strong as he needs to be"

No more no less.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I can explain it to you more simple if you wish. The difference between the dynamic strength of Hulk and Superman.

Let's say Hulk starts with 10 Strength (0 Strength hold back), he gets angrier and it increases to 20 (0 Strength hold back), 30 (0 Strength hold back) and so on, potentially till infinity. The anger increases it, he is not getting something that is already inside of him.

Let's say Superman at base is 10 Strength (the Rest is hold back because of mental blocks and there is no limit). He fights someone like DD and sees that it's not enough and subconsciously drops a bit of his blocks, now he has 20 Strength (rest hold back), it's still not enough, he taps into 30 (rest hold back). Probably he doesn't even know the limit, he is afraid to hurt other people or kills his enemies, and those blocks prevent him from accessing all the power, only if the need/desperation arises to tap into it we can witness the potential iow when the Universe is at stake.

Supe

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yea that confirms emu is just trolling abhi

Salsa, the post you last wrote as I type this warrants a point-by-point response, annoying though that is to try to submit via iPhone 5.

Nevertheless:

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
The feminism on that show is obvious even to the blind.

Agree.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Male characters get chumped left and right.

Likely would agree in most cases -BUT- I would have to see your specific choices.
I think the portrayal of the David Harewood/director of the DEO/Martian Manhunter character is, for the most part, stellar, for instance, and would probably disagree with HIS placement on your list.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It has it's funny moment's though.

Agree. The Ice Cream scene featured in the first Flash crossover, for instance, is a delight to watch.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Can't believe Blue is using this as his argument. He should know better by now.

I am NOT using the Melissa Benoist rendition of Supergirl to argue the physical strength superiority of the character Jeph Loeb introduced in 2004. I AM guardedly optimistic about what we may see in the near future BECAUSE of the direction this show SEEMS to have taken for the present regarding that issue, especially since DC now HAS a comic largely BASED on the Benoist show.

But that is far different from blind and serious equation of Benoist Supergirl to Loeb Supergirl.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

And don't get me wrong I am all about giving props to women but Blue you a such a feminist that you are betraying your own sex imo unless you are a female. In that case you should be a little bit more equal, neutral and logical when it comes onto what we can be considered equal and what is sjw, imo anyway.

I am not female. And I am probably not what comes into your mind when you use the term "feminist", either. More on this last part later, if time permits.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I can explain it to you more simple if you wish. The difference between the dynamic strength of Hulk and Superman.

Let's say Hulk starts with 10 Strength (0 Strength hold back), he gets angrier and it increases to 20 (0 Strength hold back), 30 (0 Strength hold back) and so on, potentially till infinity. The anger increases it, he is not getting something that is already inside of him.

Let's say Superman at base is 10 Strength (the Rest is hold back because of mental blocks and there is no limit). He fights someone like DD and sees that it's not enough and subconsciously drops a bit of his blocks, now he has 20 Strength (rest hold back), it's still not enough, he taps into 30 (rest hold back). Probably he doesn't even know the limit, he is afraid to hurt other people or kills his enemies, and those blocks prevent him from accessing all the power, only if the need/desperation arises to tap into it we can witness the potential iow when the Universe is at stake.

Supe

Do you know the difference between Hulk and Superman?

OWAW... Universe is at stake. You say Superman has dynamic strength, and drops his mental blocks.

Awesome. Superman gets amped. Also gets a lovely sundip. On top of his dynamic strength lol.

What does he do? Nothing WBH or KT couldn't do, without breaking a sweat.

This is what happens when you fans want Superman to have everything 👆