Wonder Woman vs. Superman

Originally posted by FrothByte
What has being in a pressurized environment have to do with my analogy? Just goes to prove you didn't understand my point. Again. We're not talking about durability, we're talking about speed. Durability (and strength) would be what is affected should we take away the pressurized environment.

Fine, let me make this simpler. You're traveling in a car going at 100 mph. Open all your windows while you're at it. You punch the person sitting beside you. Did you just punch a lot faster than you would have had you been standing still?

You don't even understand what you are saying. Superman and Zod were trading complex hits superspeed, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out or see, and the clip I posted shows then firmly on the ground, so this "traveling" argument is redundant and missing the point.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not the one throwing tantrums around.Saying people that don't agree with me have chips on their shoulders. It also looks like you're purposely bating me.

So you are saying I have thrown a tantrum, as you say "Can you quote me doing so?" I can quote you insulting and throwing hissy fits on the other hand. Oh I'm not baiting you anymore then to call out nonsense when I see it.

Throwing punches while flying isn't a complex maneuver and while the clip you posted had them moving fast, it wasn't so fast that normal humans couldn't follow their movements. IOW, low level superspeed at best.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Throwing punches while flying isn't a complex maneuver and while the clip you posted had them moving fast, it wasn't so fast that normal humans couldn't follow their movements. IOW, low level superspeed at best.

Blocking Bullets is no more of a "complex maneuver" then flying and fighting which is equally as hard if not harder.

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That clip I posted, humans were not involved. And their punches were moving at super speed, when Zod hit him in the neck, you could not even see his movement until after he connected. When Superman sends him flying at Super Speed, he would not be able to do so, unless fist was moving at Super Speed. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Originally posted by Sable
You don't even understand what you are saying. Superman and Zod were trading complex hits superspeed, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out or see, and the clip I posted shows then firmly on the ground, so this "traveling" argument is redundant and missing the point.

And the clip you posted showed them punching at speeds we can still clearly see. IOW, not at super speed.

Originally posted by Sable
Blocking Bullets is no more of a "complex maneuver" then flying and fighting which is equally as hard if not harder.

edit:

That clip I posted, humans were not involved. And their punches were moving at super speed, when Zod hit him in the neck, you could not even see his movement until after he connected. When Superman sends him flying at Super Speed, he would not be able to do so, unless fist was moving at Super Speed. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Blocking multiple bullets coming at different directions is not complex?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And the clip you posted showed them punching at speeds we can still clearly see. IOW, not at super speed.

So why is it that I was able to see Diana's punches? Are you seriously saying that the directors intent of a fight is if we can see them fighting, that means they are not moving fast? And no, you could not clearly see them, cause they were blurry. You are being undone more and more by every post you make now. You didn't even know where adamentium came from.

It's far, far, far, far easier to throw a punch than to catch a small object, saying otherwise is being rather dishonest and the human perception I was talking about was the people watching the movie. as the film was obviously not being slowed down at that point.

Originally posted by Sable
So why is it that I was able to see Diana's punches? Are you seriously saying that the directors intent of a fight is if we can see them fighting, that means they are not moving fast? And no, you could not clearly see them, cause they were blurry. You are being undone more and more by every post you make now. You didn't even know where adamentium came from.

Because Diana also doesn't always move in super speed, same way Superman doesn't. The difference is that the times WW demonstrated superspeed were in actions of more complex nature than Superman's.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's far, far, far, far easier to throw a punch than to catch a small object, saying otherwise is being rather dishonest and the human perception I was talking about was the people watching the movie. as the film was obviously not being slowed down at that point.

Its equally dishonest to discount him catching a fast moving projectile from Batman. So you think directors internet is to show a fight in which people can't watch, and if the audience can see it, that means its not super speed?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Diana also doesn't always move in super speed, same way Superman doesn't. The difference is that the times WW demonstrated superspeed were in actions of more complex nature than Superman's.

Faulty logic. You just said, "if we can see them fighting that means they are not moving fast." So since I could see Diana fighting, she was not moving fast either?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Blocking multiple bullets coming at different directions is not complex?

Did I say it wasn't?

Originally posted by Sable
Faulty logic. You just said, "if we can see them fighting that means they are not moving fast." So since I could see Diana fighting, she was not moving fast either?

Except in the last fight with Ares where she disappears from one spot and reappears in another. Or when the shot is obviously slowed down to show her speed.

Originally posted by Sable
Its equally dishonest to discount him catching a fast moving projectile from Batman. So you think directors internet is to show a fight in which people can't watch, and if the audience can see it, that means its not super speed?

Nobody discounted the grenade, they were just honest about how it compared to bullets. they're multiple techniques that can be used to display superspeed and still allow the audience to follow the action. none of them were being used in the clip you posted. They just weren't moving with high-end superspeed in that scene.

I just watched Diana block the bullets, I can see and follow all of her movements.

Its also not a far leap to assume Batman weapons>1930's weapons.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except in the last fight with Ares where she disappears from one spot and reappears in another. Or when the shot is obviously slowed down to show her speed.

So why is it that I can see and follow all of her movements, including the bullet blocking scene you keep going on about? Why is it she has no blur with her movements in that scene, but Superman and Zod do, and its hard to follow theirs, but easy to see hers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXFXUkc0TA

YouTube video

Originally posted by Sable
I just watched Diana block the bullets, I can see and follow all of her movements.

Its also not a far leap to assume Batman weapons>1930's weapons.

We know how fast bullets traveled back then, just like we know how fast grenades travel and guess what. bullets >>>>>> grenades.

The soldiers here are reacting to all of her moves, and I can see all of her moves as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5P_4qgKT8U

Originally posted by Silent Master
We know how fast bullets traveled back then, just like we know how fast grenades travel and guess what. bullets >>>>>> grenades.

Except that was not a grenade, it was something else, and batman is the king of prep, he would obviously make a weapon that was extremely fast to hit him as he knows how fast he is, and they were within a 10 ft proximity. Very close.

Nobody is using that scene to prove WW has superspeed, so what is your point?