Wonder Woman vs. Superman

Originally posted by Silent Master
They were moving fast yes, however they were still within the range of human perception. Guys like the X-Men Quicksilver or Metro man could have had that entire fight before anyone watching could blink.

You know who couldn't have had that fight before anyone watching could blink? Wonder Woman. She would have just been overwhelmed and killed actually, by feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"I can't throw bants with NemeBro so I'm going to pretend I think bants are bad" lmao.

I understand that you're trying to use your analogy to prove your point, when it's a false equivalence.

You're saying that jet pilots can fly their planes in dog fights at mach 2 without having mach 2 reaction-time to support your assertion that Superman flying at the speeds he does in fights doesn't require equivalent reaction-time (despite the fact that there is literally official material that states he does have equivalent but that's beside the point). Only, you ignored the considerable differences between the two events in question, with Superman reacting to the incredible speeds he was flying at in ways that the jet fighters were not. So this analogy doesn't prove your point, which makes it a false equivalence, which is a logical fallacy. And now you're admitting that the two comparisons are not equivalent. So then what was the point of the comparison, if it doesn't prove your point? mmm

Oh, and I was tired at the time so I didn't catch this, but do you have a source for pilots dogfighting at mach 2? Because planes didn't fly that fast when dogfights actually were not obsolete. That's about the top speed of the F-22, and dogfights do not take place at top flying speed.

I was going to point that out earlier as well that dogfights don't take place at mach 2, but Isaid to myself, what's the point. And that planes don't stop and pivot on a dime.

DCEU Kal-El performing "complex maneuvers" (vague-ass term) at superhuman speeds:

Can we put this particular baby to bed? It should have been settled over 180 posts ago!

So he can fly forward 👆

He flew in only one of those gifs but yes, he can indeed fly forward. 👆

I guess you didn't understand the gifs. Perhaps you should watch the extended cut 👆

Superman is stronger and more durable. Diana is slightly faster and far better skilled. She would probably win the h2h since Kal would rarely hit her for the many hits she would get.

The other match is more unclear. Superman has flight, HV, and breath. Im still thinking about it.

Gif 1: Kal gets up from a sitting posistion, runs toward Faora and throws an overhand left.

Gif 2: Kal flies toward the warlord and disengages his arm from Lois' neck.

Gif 3: Kal loses sight of Batman and runs through the smoke to where he last saw him.

Gif 4: Kal effortlessly catches a grenade moving at approximately 170 miles per hour.

All four gifs 100% understood. Saw the Ultimate Edition twice.

Spoiler:
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Didn't know you could run without moving your legs. My bad friend. 👆

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So he can fly forward 👆

You're really dumb. 👆

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Except he put that bit into the part about adaptations/novelisations, while pointing out that tie-ins, like Star Trek tv shows, are canon, which those comics actually are as well. They're technically their own standalone stories that exist within the MCU. You don't actually even need to see the films to be able to read some of them. For example, the Black Widow Strikes 3-issue series is about MCU Black Widow, but the story is its own separate thing that has her doing a mission totally unrelated to the films. So, it is canonically a part of the MCU, and it doesn't alter anything we see onscreen. But if his ruling does include stuff like that, then it's a bit silly IMO. Allowing one canonical tie-in while dismissing another, simply because one was printed on a piece of paper, makes little sense to me.

The Mod ruled a tie in comic to the Clone Wars series wasn't useable, despite it being considered Canon to Lucasfilm.

Any supplementary material like sourcebooks describing abilities definitely wasn't allowed.

Superman solidly

Originally posted by NemeBro
Carefully took the terrorist's arm from her neck

Calm down, my intellectually frustrated friend. 👆

^ To be fair stopping that terrorist would have seemed more impressive if he didn't just bullrush him through a wall. Because that doesn't suggest control over his acceleration/deceleration.

The terrorist simply being disarmed, and Lois at a safe distance in a split second would have been far more convincing of super speed perception and control.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Mod ruled a tie in comic to the Clone Wars series wasn't useable, despite it being considered Canon to Lucasfilm.

Any supplementary material like sourcebooks describing abilities definitely wasn't allowed.

But then it comes back to my question, what about the things like the Marvel one-shots? Are those unusable then as well?

Because, for example, when discussing Luke Cage's jail fights and the guys he fought, the Mandarin one becomes relevant, because it gives us an idea of the kind of inmates that are held at Seagate, considering Mandarin, Justin Hammer, and other high level prisoners are kept in that prison. Without that one-shot giving us context, Seagate could be any random prison in the MCU.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger and more durable. Diana is slightly faster and far better skilled. She would probably win the h2h since Kal would rarely hit her for the many hits she would get.

The other match is more unclear. Superman has flight, HV, and breath. Im still thinking about it.

So how did Ares land hits on her when he is no where as fast as Superman?

Originally posted by TheGrat1
DCEU Kal-El performing "complex maneuvers" (vague-ass term) at superhuman speeds:

Can we put this particular baby to bed? It should have been settled over 180 posts ago!

According to one poster here, blocking bullets is the only thing he considers "complex maneuvers" whatever the hell that means.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
But then it comes back to my question, what about the things like the Marvel one-shots? Are those unusable then as well?

Because, for example, when discussing Luke Cage's jail fights and the guys he fought, the Mandarin one becomes relevant, because it gives us an idea of the kind of inmates that are held at Seagate, considering Mandarin, Justin Hammer, and other high level prisoners are kept in that prison. Without that one-shot giving us context, Seagate could be any random prison in the MCU.

I think Marvel one shots likely count. Because they are filmed and onscreen. So I don't see why they wouldn't count given the forum rules which allow Television tie ins to films.

Originally posted by Sable
According to one poster here, blocking bullets is the only thing he considers "complex maneuvers" whatever the hell that means.

I see you have not understood a word of what I said. What use is it then to have a discussion with you when you simply close your ears to what other people say?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think Marvel one shots likely count. Because they are filmed and onscreen. So I don't see why they wouldn't count given the forum rules which allow Television tie ins to films.

Which is what I find silly. The filmed one-shots and tie-in comics are both considered canon, and serve the same purpose in the MCU. But one gets excluded simply because it is printed on paper. But anyway, this has veered away from the actual thread topic.