Originally posted by FrothByte
No, I'm open to debate as long as we do it honestly and not make up stuff about what the other person supposedly said or not.I'm open to debate as long as I'm willing to listen and understand your points and you're willing to do the same. Obviously this is not happening, so no point in moving forward since all we ended up doing is devolving into insults.
I have not insulted you, you have called me a liar repeatedly, and other things, and have insulted multiple people.
If you make faulty arguments like "if you punch someone on a plane or a car, are they moving at super speed." And you don't accept that is not only wrong but faulty logic.
And the basis of this whole debacle is, because we can see him fight, he isn't moving at super speed, but since Diana "disappeared" one time, thats how she will fight all the time. While at the same time saying because kryptonians fight in speed bursts, that its somehow not sustainable, while at the same time assuming her disappearing feat is. Cant you see the double standard?
If you are willing to see the double standard of the same feats you want to use as super speed, even though only shown once, can be used as sustainable fight, then we have to assume if a kryptonian is met with another speedster they will react according.
Hell even Apoc was able to react to the fastest speedster we have ever seen on screen. Speedsters continually get tagged by slower people. And Diana was tagged by Ares and his minion who have no bullet blocking feats and were substantially slower.
I know you want to say, but she wasn't at her full power, but we saw her at her full power in BvS which happened almost 90 years later from WW1. She never disappeared and fought doomsday the way you are describing she will fight MoS. So you are taking one feat and multiplying it as, that is how she is going to fight all the time, when her latest feats against doomsday prove the opposite, he still reacted and tagged her multiple times, regardless if she blocked them. The fact she had to block them, means he was fast enough to hit her.
Superman can and will tag with her as easy as Doomsday or Ares, or his henchmen and when he does, its over.
Originally posted by NemeBroI constantly rebutted your argument. You just ignored me. I guess you are the coward.
So judging by everyone cowardly shying away from responding to my posts in lieu of going after the easier target (Sable), can I assume that I've won the thread? If so, I'll gladly take all of your concessions.
Originally posted by h1a8
Us humans can think and act while flying at 1000x the speed of light. At that speed it would take about 0.48 of a second to react to avoid hitting the Sun. Reactions and reflexes depend on time (not speed). Speed and distance determines time.Superman can probably fly at mach 10,000 (not instantly). But that doesn't mean he can react in time if objects are close enough to him. Otherwise, he would have infinite reflexes. There has to be a limit to how close and object can be for Superman to avoid it traveling at mach 10000. That's why we should use screen feats as a guide.
Bottomline: If a character can move than X speed (no matter how slow) and be able to react to an object that is Y distance from them (no matter how close) then they would have INFINITE REFLEXES AND REACTION TIMES. There must be a limit to how close an object can be from anyone to be able to react to it while traveling at a specific speed.
Originally posted by h1a8You're on KMC's list of Phucking Phaggots, no one takes you seriously at all so I don't feel particularly compelled to even look at your posts, much less respond to them.
I constantly rebutted your argument. You just ignored me.
More to the point, did you adequately address Superman's ability to dislodge a man's arm from Lois' neck at super speed without breaking Lois' neck? Or his ability to dominate Nam-ek, who was fast enough to snatch Superman himself out of the air while he was in flight? Did you address the fact that there is literally canon tie-in material that explicitly states Superman's reflexes are on par with his flying speed?
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're on KMC's list of Phucking Phaggots, no one takes you seriously at all so I don't feel particularly compelled to even look at your posts, much less respond to them.More to the point, did you adequately address Superman's ability to dislodge a man's arm from Lois' neck at super speed without breaking Lois' neck? Or his ability to dominate Nam-ek, who was fast enough to snatch Superman himself out of the air while he was in flight? Did you address the fact that there is literally canon tie-in material that explicitly states Superman's reflexes are on par with his flying speed?
I'm a well known Superman fanboy. I argue for Superman against every character (even Odin) because of the speed argument. But I value speed and fighting skill over Superman.
Speed is king, Superman has it. I'm not arguing that he doesn't. My argument is solely the fallacy of equating top traveling speed with reflex speed.
Imo Superman is about as fast as WW in combat (they are near peers if not peers). The difference is not huge (if there is one). Clearly Superman traveling fast within close distances means that he has superhuman reflexes. But Superman never operated at top speed (Mach thousands) within close distances and he can't.
My estimate is that he can react to things within 10ft away traveling at a max speed of Mach 2. Any higher speed then he needs to be further away from the object to react to it.