Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
My point wasn't to discredit Superman but show an example of where Wonder Woman did well against Doomsday.Besides the Sun dip after flying Doomsday into space kind of negated the damage Batman did.
Except fought with DD after being hit with kryptonite, and before he was hit with the nuke in space.
Originally posted by SableHow does one run without moving your feet?
How does one fly while running?
Moot point though. Let's assume he is running, it's on that grat kid and you to prove the correlation between that and reaction speed, because that's a really weak leg to stand on. Good luck with that. ðŸ‘
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
How does one run without moving your feet?Moot point though. Let's assume he is running, it's on that grat kid and you to prove the correlation between that and reaction speed, because that's a really weak leg to stand on. Good luck with that. ðŸ‘
Reaction speed such as catching a RPG at 10 ft or less is enough to prove he has super human reflects and reaction speeds.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well there was all of this mayhem happening:
YouTube video
YouTube videoAnd up until the Kryptonite spear came into play Wonder Woman was arguably doing better against Doomsday than Superman considering she was doing damage to it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman tried to bull rush Doomsday and Doomsday caught him in mid air. DD isn't slow. Yet in the entire final fight in BvS, I only recall him landing 1 hit on WW whereas he repeatedly hit Superman. Granted, he fought Superman longer and did pick on him more. Still... you can't just ignore this.
Even when she cut his hand off he blasted her away. Not to mention when she is blasted back and then punched away where she was scrambling to find her sword.
She never dodged his attacks. Just blocked them with her shield or cut the car in half.
Could you post a scene where she dodged his attacks?
Originally posted by h1a8
^Chris Pine is a good actor. He did a marvelous job in 2009 Star Trek.
WW was a decent movie. You are missing out.
Without seeing it then you can't really comment on who wins.
Chris Pine is trash, and I'll wait for a decent torrent for WW.
Yes, I can. Wonder Woman's most recent incarnation is the one from BvS. I can compare her performance to Clark's and based on that Clark wins.
Originally posted by PsychotronI disagree that Chris Pine is trash. The majority of people that have seen him in films would also disagree. Your opinion is trash.
Chris Pine is trash, and I'll wait for a decent torrent for WW.Yes, I can. Wonder Woman's most recent incarnation is the one from BvS. I can compare her performance to Clark's and based on that Clark wins.
No you can't. Otherwise, you are trolling. In WW, she displays her speed and h2h skill very well. In BvS, she displays her use of the sword, shield, and lasso (a little bit). In BvS, you wouldn't know that she's a bullet timer or that she can move so fast that she appears to teleport. Just only looking at BvS, You don't see much to make a judgement on.
No one is going to take you serious or debate with you if you are not going to base arguments off of both films.
Originally posted by h1a8
No you can't. Otherwise, you are trolling. In WW, she displays her speed and h2h skill very well. In BvS, she displays her use of the sword, shield, and lasso (a little bit). You don't see much to make a judgement on.
No one is going to take you serious or debate with you if you are not going to base arguments off both films.
The "majority" are Americans who fell for the feminism meme. Everyone I know tells me it sucks.
Yes, I can. Her BvS feats are the most recent. It's the current version of WW. She used her combat speed and combat skills against Doomsday and got tagged multiple times anyway, unless you think she was trying to get hit.
Frankly, I don't give a shit what you think. I'm not gonna shill out 15 bucks to watch a movie that looks like garbage based on the trailers. I've lurked the comic versus forum for years, and I know how seriously people take you, h1a8, so drop the attitude.
Originally posted by PsychotronWW is the most recent movie with her in. But recency of storyline is irrelevant to this forum. All canon feats can be used.
The "majority" are Americans who fell for the feminism meme. Everyone I know tells me it sucks.Yes, I can. Her BvS feats are the most recent. It's the current version of WW. She used her combat speed and combat skills against Doomsday and got tagged multiple times anyway, unless you think she was trying to get hit.
Frankly, I don't give a shit what you think. I'm not gonna shill out 15 bucks to watch a movie that looks like garbage based on the trailers. I've lurked the comic versus forum for years, and I know how seriously people take you, h1a8, so drop the attitude.
We all know how character's are portrayed differently in different showings. Superman tanks a supernova and then gets koed by a gas station. Superman has a long conversation and walks around within a fraction of a nanosecond and then gets hit by a slow moving punch.
Like I said, WW was a bullet timer in WW the movie. She casually blocked multiple bullets from close range and appeared to teleport by moving so fast. These feats are usable. No one is arguing that Superman will not be able to tag her. She will get far more hits on Superman than the other way around. She is equally fast (or faster) yet far more skilled. Her weapons (like the sword) can end Superman quickly. She can cross her bracelets and it isn't a damn thing Superman can do. She can teleport/blink and Superman is instantly tied up in a lasso.
You have no clue to what WW can do.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW is the most recent movie with her in. But recency of storyline is irrelevant to this forum. All canon feats can be used.We all know how character's are portrayed differently in different showings. Superman tanks a supernova and then gets koed by a gas station. Superman has a long conversation and walks around within a fraction of a nanosecond and then gets hit by a slow moving punch.
Like I said, WW was a bullet timer in WW the movie. She casually blocked multiple bullets from close range and appeared to teleport by moving so fast. These feats are usable. No one is arguing that Superman will not be able to tag her. She will get far more hits on Superman than the other way around. She is equally fast (or faster) yet far more skilled.
The most recent movie, but the least recent chronologically. The "current" Diana is the one from BvS.
From what I've seen ITT nothing she did in WW is more impressive than lasting a couple of minutes against Doomsday. I did actually see the end of the movie from some leak and based on that I'd say Doomsday is easily > Ares.
Superman traveled from the Arctic to Metropolis literally within a few seconds in BvS, so Wonder Woman's speed feats aren't going to impress me. Superman's durability feats (taking a nuke, withstanding the WE, tanking a singularity) are far superior to hers, I bet. And I doubt we need to discuss strength feats.
As someone who has trained kickboxing and kyokushin I can tell you that skill can close the gap only to some degree. If you're facing someone who is so much more powerful than you you're screwed either way. Put the greatest lightweight of all time Floyd Mayweather against a mediocre heavyweight like, say, Kubrat Pulev, and Pulev will tear him apart 10/10 times. And in the case of Diana vs Clark, the lightweight doesn't even have a speed advantage.
Faora, Nam-Ek, and Zod were all skilled soldiers but they got destroyed by Superman.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The most recent movie, but the least recent chronologically. The "current" Diana is the one from BvS.From what I've seen ITT nothing she did in WW is more impressive than lasting a couple of minutes against Doomsday. I did actually see the end of the movie from some leak and based on that I'd say Doomsday is easily > Ares.
Superman traveled from the Arctic to Metropolis literally within a few seconds in BvS, so Wonder Woman's speed feats aren't going to impress me. Superman's durability feats (taking a nuke, withstanding the WE, tanking a singularity) are far superior to hers, I bet. And I doubt we need to discuss strength feats.
As someone who has trained kickboxing and kyokushin I can tell you that skill can close the gap only to some degree. If you're facing someone who is so much more powerful than you you're screwed either way. Put the greatest lightweight of all time Floyd Mayweather against a mediocre heavyweight like, say, Kubrat Pulev, and Pulev will tear him apart 10/10 times. And in the case of Diana vs Clark, the lightweight doesn't even have a speed advantage.
Faora, Nam-Ek, and Zod were all skilled soldiers but they got destroyed by Superman.
I'm highly skilled in Kung-fu and wrestling (it's been awhile though). With skill you can one shot someone that's far stronger than you if you hit them in the right place.
Traveling speed has no bearing on combat speed. I can travel at 1000x the speed of light with only human reflexes and still be able to avoid the Sun.
And you are forgetting about WW sword and lasso. Superman will be killed if she slices him in the right place or impales him. The lasso can tie him up, and she can compel him.
You are also forgetting that Superman can do nothing if she crosses her bracelets.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm highly skilled in Kung-fu and wrestling (it's been awhile though). With skill you can one shot someone that's far stronger than you if you hit them in the right place.Traveling speed has no bearing on combat speed. I can travel at 1000x the speed of light with only human reflexes and still be able to avoid the Sun.
And you are forgetting about WW sword and lasso. Superman will be killed if she slices him in the right place or impales him. The lasso can tie him up, and she can compel him.
You are also forgetting that Superman can do nothing if she crosses her bracelets.
Well, Kung-Fu is a meme, but wrestling is legit, and if you are a real wrestler you know weight class exist for a reason. Depends, some people have sturdier chins than others. You're not gonna knock out Vitali Klitschko with one shot, for example.
Somebody in this thread already posted proof that Superman's reflexes match his travel speed. Faora's feats confirm it, too.
That's Round 2. In Round 1 she gets raped. Yeah, and Wonder Woman would get killed if Superman snaps her neck, hits her with heat vision straight in the face, or just flies her off into space.
He can tank it. Not that he has to. He's strong and fast enough to stop her before she does it.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Well, Kung-Fu is a meme, but wrestling is legit, and if you are a real wrestler you know weight class exist for a reason. Depends, some people have sturdier chins than others. You're not gonna knock out Vitali Klitschko with one shot, for example.Somebody in this thread already posted proof that Superman's reflexes match his travel speed. Faora's feats confirm it, too.
That's Round 2. In Round 1 she gets raped. Yeah, and Wonder Woman would get killed if Superman snaps her neck, hits her with heat vision straight in the face, or just flies her off into space.
He can tank it. Not that he has to. He's strong and fast enough to stop her before she does it.
No one posted proof because the notion doesn't exist. Superman can't react to any distance, otherwise he would have infinite reflexes. If he's flying at mach 1 then certainly he can't react to something that is 1in away. He can reach to something 10ft though. In other words, there is a limit to the distance he can react based off how fast he's going.
And weight matters a lot. But I'm speaking in terms of pressure points (not someone's chin). Some neck points, joints, etc.
If Superman gets his throat sliced or stabbed through then he's a gonner. She effectively blocked hv in BvS. She can cross her bracelets and what can Superman do then?
Originally posted by h1a8
No one posted proof because the notion doesn't exist. Superman can't react to any distance, otherwise he would have infinite reflexes. If he's flying at mach 1 then certainly he can't react to something that is 1in away. He can reach to something 10ft though. In other words, there is a limit to the distance he can react based off how fast he's going.And weight matters a lot. But I'm speaking in terms of pressure points (not someone's chin). Some neck points, joints, etc.
Based on what? We know he can fly a hell of a lot faster that Mach 1 thanks to the Arctic to Metropolis feat. Since he doesn't crash into shit while flying I'm gonna go ahead and say you're full of it. Oh, and Faora's flash step feat in MoS pretty much tears apart any argument you have in regards to speed. Keep in mind that her reflexes are trained due to being a soldier, yet Superman matched her and Nam-Ek (another trainer warrior) at the same time.
Pressure points lol. I'm talking about real fighting here. If you mean joint locks, then just say that. Pressure points is comic books bullshit that doesn't work IRL.
Originally posted by TGATES
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Wonder woman shows her almsost instantaneous speed which seems faster than faora or superman.
Not only is she tremendously fast but she is instantaneous in that she got to that speed from complete rest in a kneeling/crouching position.
Yeah, as I thought. Nothing a Kryptonian can't replicate.
Originally posted by PsychotronTalking about rl fighting in a movie vs?
Pressure points lol. I'm talking about real fighting here. If you mean joint locks, then just say that. Pressure points is comic books bullshit that doesn't work IRL.
Also, pressure points are a thing irl as well, maybe you should learn more before trying so hard the tough guy act. Lol
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Talking about rl fighting in a movie vs?Also, pressure points are a thing irl as well, maybe you should learn more before trying so hard the tough guy act. Lol
Pressure points are absolutely not a thing in real fights. They're used in fake fighting like Kung-Fu, or Karate, or Krav Maga.
Also, I don't remember Wonder Woman ever using pressure points, so this argument is pointless.