Let's say Superman can fly at 10 times the speed of a bullet while avoiding buildings that are more than 10 times the distance away than the gunmen who shot at WW. This means that WW would faster reactions.
Remember, it's all about TIME. Speed alone doesn't determine anything, we also need DISTANCE to complete the time equation.
Originally posted by NemeBroUs humans can think and act at 1000x the speed of light. It would take about 0.48 of a second to react to avoid the Sun. Reactions and reflexes depend on time (not speed). Speed and distance determines time.
"His reflexes are equally quick", which is to say they are on par with his flying speed, which is to say that he can think, act, and react at, oh, mach 10,000 or so.
Superman can probably fly at mach 10,000. But that doesn't mean he can react in time if objects are close enough to him. Otherwise, he would have infinite reflexes. There has to be a limit to how close and object can be for Superman to avoid it traveling at mach 10000. That's why we should use screen feats as a guide.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, he just sped through a city while fighting Zod at hypersonic speeds and was able to maneuver between buildings while beating the shit out of him.To be honest, the thread ended when this was posted:
http://i.imgur.com/5YOnNno.jpg
The confirmation that Superman can think and react at the super speeds he flies pretty much killed any WW argument that could be put forth, since Superman is capable of flying literally thousands of times faster than WW's silly bullet-blocking feat.
Jet fighters fly their jets at over Mach 2 and can dog fight while in the air. That doesn't mean that their reflexes are as fast as Mach 2.
Superman has control of his flight, meaning he can speed up and slow down as he needs to AND he can see before hand where he's going and can adjust accordingly. Same way f1 race car drivers and jet fighters know where they're going and can adjust their speed and reactions depending on how they want to maneuver.
So Superman flying at the speed of sound and adjusting his flight to evade buildings is completely different from evading something that's coming at you at the speed of sound.
And though I seldom agree with H1, he does bring up a valid point that it's not just speed that should be considered but also distance. WW blocking multiple bullets at such a close distance is still a better combat speed feat than anything we've seen from Superman, who basically either tanks bullets or just runs away from them.
Originally posted by Silent MasterIncorrect my mentally handicapped friend. They only don't count if they directly contradict the film itself. Thankfully, they don't. 🙂
You people really need to read the rules for the Forum, it's movie Feats only. In other words, if it didn't happen on screen it doesn't count.
Originally posted by FrothByteHoly shit you're ****ing stupid. 😂
Jet fighters fly their jets at over Mach 2 and can dog fight while in the air. That doesn't mean that their reflexes are as fast as Mach 2.Superman has control of his flight, meaning he can speed up and slow down as he needs to AND he can see before hand where he's going and can adjust accordingly. Same way f1 race car drivers and jet fighters know where they're going and can adjust their speed and reactions depending on how they want to maneuver.
So Superman flying at the speed of sound and adjusting his flight to evade buildings is completely different from evading something that's coming at you at the speed of sound.
And though I seldom agree with H1, he does bring up a valid point that it's not just speed that should be considered but also distance. WW blocking multiple bullets at such a close distance is still a better combat speed feat than anything we've seen from Superman, who basically either tanks bullets or just runs away from them.
That's a false equivalency. Show me a jet fighter flying through a busy city and making sheer turns at mach 2 during a dog fight.
No, afraid not. It is explicit that his reaction time is "equally" as quick as his flight speed. Which is to say, it's roughly mach 10,000.
Try again. Actually don't. It's honestly embarrassing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Holy shit you're ****ing stupid. 😂That's a false equivalency. Show me a jet fighter flying through a busy city and making sheer turns at mach 2 during a dog fight.
No, afraid not. It is explicit that his reaction time is "equally" as quick as his flight speed. Which is to say, it's roughly mach 10,000.
Try again. Actually don't. It's honestly embarrassing.
Do you actually understand how analogies work? Me, stating how jet fighter pilots fly and dog fight does not mean I'm implying they can accomplish the exact same maneuvers Superman does.
The analogy here is that their reflexes does not equal their flying top speed.
If you're going to debate with me at least make sure you have the intelligence for it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Incorrect my mentally handicapped friend. They only don't count if they directly contradict the film itself. Thankfully, they don't. 🙂
That's flat out BS. You can't just make up stuff and expect them to apply to a forum fight just because they didn't conflict with a feat.
Originally posted by Impediment
I've been asked to step in to make a ruling on the matter at hand.The primary issue in contention is the use of novelizations/book adaptations.
I refer you all to the MVF Golden Rule: What happens on screen is canon. Movie feats only.
I allow certain feats, for example, from the Star Trek television series because of the direct tie in to the movies.
Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.
Therefore, the ruling is that a written adaptation of this film, as well as cast/crew commentaries made after the film has been completed, screened, and transferred to home media, will not be allowable. Movie feats only, please.
A much, much more suitable area for this kind of debate is, of course, the All Versus Forum where ALL source material is allowed.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo you're saying that you're aware that your analogy was a shitty false equivalency, but chose to use it anyway? I take it back, you're not stupid. You're an insane masochist.
Do you actually understand how analogies work? Me, stating how jet fighter pilots fly and dog fight does not mean I'm implying they can accomplish the exact same maneuvers Superman does.The analogy here is that their reflexes does not equal their flying top speed.
If you're going to debate with me at least make sure you have the intelligence for it.
That's because they can't do all the things Superman can at their flying speed. Superman can zip around buildings and throw punches at his flying speed.
My son, I've effortlessly dismantled your laughable analogy and have used official material to validate my claims. You have nothing but garbage to give me. You can't handle these bants little guy, as seen by your cute attempt at using my own insult (asserting that you are low in intelligence) back at me.
Seriously my man, it's really sad.
