Wonder Woman vs. Superman

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think he covers that when he stated "The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies".

Except he put that bit into the part about adaptations/novelisations, while pointing out that tie-ins, like Star Trek tv shows, are canon, which those comics actually are as well. They're technically their own standalone stories that exist within the MCU. You don't actually even need to see the films to be able to read some of them. For example, the Black Widow Strikes 3-issue series is about MCU Black Widow, but the story is its own separate thing that has her doing a mission totally unrelated to the films. So, it is canonically a part of the MCU, and it doesn't alter anything we see onscreen. But if his ruling does include stuff like that, then it's a bit silly IMO. Allowing one canonical tie-in while dismissing another, simply because one was printed on a piece of paper, makes little sense to me.

If you want Imp to change his ruling you would be better served pming him.

Well, I don't really care much either way, but it just seems like a strange distinction. Because I am assuming the filmed one-shots (like the Agent Carter and Mandarin ones, for example) are considered valid (as they even include the same actors portraying the same characters), and they serve the exact same purpose as the tie-in comics do.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's flat out BS. You can't just make up stuff and expect them to apply to a forum fight just because they didn't conflict with a feat.

But you made up a bunch of stuff and called it proof.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I assume since you couldn't quote me that you didn't actually find anywhere where i did superman doesn't have combat speed.

I also see how you're trying to evade answering my statement. We'll address your frigate argument after you address my multiple bullet vs RPG argument.

This is you saying he didn't have combat speed.

"Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her a Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed."

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At about 17-18 seconds,, Non grabs a charging Superman out air and throws him to the ground. Given Superman is attacking, it stands to reason he's accelerating as fast as he can (Which we've seen they can do in bursts, almost immediately on command.)

This proves Kryptonians have a racial ability to react to high speeds.

Originally posted by Sable
This is you saying he didn't have combat speed.

"Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her a Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed."

So basically you're making things up. Because nowhere there did I say Superman does not have combat speed. All I see there is me clarifying what I meant by combat speed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So you're saying that you're aware that your analogy was a shitty false equivalency, but chose to use it anyway? I take it back, you're not stupid. You're an insane masochist.

That's because they can't do all the things Superman can at their flying speed. Superman can zip around buildings and throw punches at his flying speed.

My son, I've effortlessly dismantled your laughable analogy and have used official material to validate my claims. You have nothing but garbage to give me. You can't handle these bants little guy, as seen by your cute attempt at using my own insult (asserting that you are low in intelligence) back at me.

Seriously my man, it's really sad.

You're right, I shouldn't have stooped to your level. Insults are only used by those that can't seem to win arguments intelligently. My apologies, a moment of weakness.

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't understand analogies. What I said was X is not equal to Y, therefore 10X is not equal to 10Y. You then go and insult me because you think what I was trying to prove was that X is equal to 10X. This proves that you don't understand logic or analogy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically you're making things up. Because nowhere there did I say Superman does not have combat speed. All I see there is me clarifying what I meant by combat speed.

Yes you clarified by saying superman does not have what you consider combat speed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're right, I shouldn't have stooped to your level. Insults are only used by those that can't seem to win arguments intelligently. My apologies, a moment of weakness.

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't understand analogies. What I said was X is not equal to Y, therefore 10X is not equal to 10Y. You then go and insult me because you think what I was trying to prove was that X is equal to 10X. This proves that you don't understand logic or analogy.

You were insulting people long before that post.

Originally posted by Sable
Yes you clarified by saying superman does not have what you consider combat speed.

Nowhere in that post did I say Superman does not have combat speed. Stop making stuff up. It's not my fault if you choose to understand my post in a way it was not meant to be.

Still waiting for the clip showing Superman with mach 10,000 reactions.

IT would be better to keep the tie-in comics out because at times they have characters do feats that absolutely do not match up with the movies. For example, in an MCU Fury tie-in comic, Hulk's roar caused every glass in the room to shatter. Since when does MCU Hulk have sonic screams?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So you're saying that you're aware that your analogy was a shitty false equivalency, but chose to use it anyway? I take it back, you're not stupid. You're an insane masochist.

That's because they can't do all the things Superman can at their flying speed. Superman can zip around buildings and throw punches at his flying speed.

My son, I've effortlessly dismantled your laughable analogy and have used official material to validate my claims. You have nothing but garbage to give me. You can't handle these bants little guy, as seen by your cute attempt at using my own insult (asserting that you are low in intelligence) back at me.

Seriously my man, it's really sad.

What's the limit in distance Superman has to away from an object in order to maneuver around it traveling at mach 10?

Can Superman be 10ft away and still manage to maneuver around, 1ft away, or any distance away no matter how small?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nowhere in that post did I say Superman does not have combat speed. Stop making stuff up. It's not my fault if you choose to understand my post in a way it was not meant to be.

It is your fault you don't realize what you write. This clearly states you don't qualify his combat speed feats as combat speed. I have asked you a few times who gave you the authority to classify such feats as what is combat speed and what is not.

"Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her a Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed."

You clear as day stated he does not perform "complex maneuvers at super speed" then you say "That's what I mean by combat speed." So you are saying he does not perform any combat speed feats.

Wouldn't it be easier and more productive to just admit the confusion and move on now that he's clarified?

There was no clarification, this person insists he never said this. When someone says "doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed." Then says he never said that, and then says thats its someone else fault for not understanding. That isn't a clarification, that a re enforcement. Arn't you the one who said you "read the whole thread."

You haven't actually posted him saying it, you've just posted the equivalent of "this is what I took your comments to mean" at which point he's stated that "that isn't what I meant, this is what I meant _______". so yes, he has clarified.

Now are you interested in actually discussing the thread topic or are you just trying to score imaginary debate points?

Originally posted by Sable
It is your fault you don't realize what you write. This clearly states you don't qualify his combat speed feats as combat speed. I have asked you a few times who gave you the authority to classify such feats as what is combat speed and what is not.

"Flying speed or even movement speed obviously goes to Superman. When I say combat speed, [b]Diana has feats of blocking multiple bullets using her a Superman dashes to and fro but doesn't perform complex maneuvers at super speed. That's what I mean by combat speed."

You clear as day stated he does not perform "complex maneuvers at super speed" then you say "That's what I mean by combat speed." So you are saying he does not perform any combat speed feats. [/B]

Nothing in there is me saying Superman has no combat speed. That quote you provided from me is vague, and the reason it's vague is because you took it out of context, since it was done in connection to the previous post.

Bottom line is, you misunderstood my statement and are now trying to put your own spin to it. Considering that it was MY statement, I do believe my interpretation of it holds more weight than yours yes?

And in case you still can't understand then let me spell it out for you for the hundredth time: I am not saying that Superman has no combat speed. If that's how you understood my statement then it was a misunderstanding. What I said was that Wonder Woman had far better combat speed feats than Superman.

Now, are you going to let this go or are you going to lie some more?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You haven't actually posted him saying it, you've just posted the equivalent of "this is what I took your comments to mean" at which point he's stated that "that isn't what I meant, this is what I meant _______". so yes, he has clarified.

Now are you interested in actually discussing the thread topic or are you just trying to score imaginary debate points?

It's weird how he thinks his interpretation of what I said is actually more correct than mine, considering I'm the speaker.