Originally posted by eaebiakuyalol that doesn't mean Odin is weaker. It simply means that Odin is not as powerful as he thought.He also failed to lift Mjolnir and heal his wife (old king thor was able to revive a Death Thor with Odin force, same writer).
Also, in Loki Agent of Asgard(just before Secret Wars), he was without Odinforce:
After that he never show any sign or feat that require Odin force.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
It mean he was stronger than he is now. If that is not weakened, it is what?
Odin realized even he had limitations.
What specific scenario?
He was powerless against those who sit above in the shadows.
And who said it is permanently? It just dont comeback yet. After this issue was never said the he had it again (or, again, he never did any feat that require full odinforce).
And how did he get depowered BTW?
Old King Thor, for example, was without it for 900 years.
Due to yet unrevealed circumstances.
Odin dont said that he is not, or never was, omnipotent. He is saying he is not strong as he was before. If he was omnipotent before or not, is not important. In Odin opinion, his omnipotence, was greater before. IE, he was stronger before.
And you should know that the world Omnipotent is often used to "powerfull" in Marvel. Not a true omnipotent. There is even a handbook entry, dont?
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Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Odin realized even he had limitations.
He realized he is not strong as he once was.
He was powerless against those who sit above in the shadows.
He was fighting against a Loki and Hela army in that comic.
And how did he get depowered BTW?
He simply was. In this comic the Odinforce worked as something that come and go/
, in Odin words, he need time to it rise again. BTW that is not how this always worked with the Odinsleep?
But i agree the plot is not closed yet. I just dont think current Odin operate with in the level of a Skyfather (and i mean Aaron skyfather), and we have some evidences that he is not at full power.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Odin dont said that he is not, or never was, omnipotent. He is saying he is not strong as he was before. If he was omnipotent before or not, is not important. In Odin opinion, his omnipotence, was greater before. IE, he was stronger before.And you should know that the world Omnipotent is often used to "powerfull" in Marvel. Not a true omnipotent. There is even a handbook entry, dont?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292965/5401932-3543038-4555851015-30705.jpg
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
He realized he is not strong as he once was.
Because of what exactly?
He was fighting against a Loki and Hela army in that comic.
Yes, against the scheme of TWSAIS. Also he said that Odin power takes time to rise, not that he didn't have it.
He simply was. In this comic the Odinforce worked as something that come and go/
, in Odin words, he need time to it rise again. BTW that is not how this always worked with the Odinsleep?
It was simply to make joke about his musculinity as Freyja did.
No, Odinsleep didn't work like that.
But i agree the plot is not closed yet. I just dont think current Odin operate with in the level of a Skyfather (and i mean Aaron skyfather), and we have some evidences that he is not at full power.
That's just bullshit and trying to see things which aren't there.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I think you missed the word "not unlimited" aka not true omnipotent.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
We dont need to know the reason. We know, for sure, that Odin said that he was stronger before.The main point here is arguing that Jane fighted against a full power Odin and current Odin dont has any feat that confirm this.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
Odin used to be above pis. But since hes being used more he needs to be brought down a bit. He could control mjolnir with a word and now cant lift it. Given that he created the thing as well as his sons lifeforce being bound to it, its by no means a stretch to think sonething is amiss.
He also flat out stated to not be as powerful as he once was.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Odin used to be above pis. But since hes being used more he needs to be brought down a bit. He could control mjolnir with a word and now cant lift it. Given that he created the thing as well as his sons lifeforce being bound to it, its by no means a stretch to think sonething is amiss.He also flat out stated to not be as powerful as he once was.
He said that his omnipotence isn't what it once was. This clearly means that some external things (like Mjolnir) has gotten more powerful and not Odin getting weaker.
Originally posted by h1a8
The hammer does not follow Odin's enchantment anymore. It does what it wants. It has the power to grant strength stronger than Thor.
Being able to physically beat down Odin is proof that she is stronger.Marvel is made of many writers with different opinions.
Steel is virtually indestructible. So is titanium. So is carbonanium, etc.
Those statements means absolutely nothing. That's why we go by feats to prove durability.The fact that Uru can be easily shaped and fashioned means it is not nearly indestructible as you believe. Thor himself has broken Mjolnir with strength. Yet Odin was stronger and Jane beat him down.
Using ure logic, Thor is stronger. He's beaten Mephisto, Ymir, Surtur, Glory, Gorr, Demogorge…. Went rounds with Zeus, beyonders, amped Surtur, amped Hela, 4th Celestial host. Knocked out the Phoenix, etc. etc.. I could go on…
Jane's high showing vs Odin is not proof that she is stronger than Odinson. If anything, much of that showing can be attributed to Mjolnir's current mutinous and rebellious disposition. But still, it's her showing so props to her.
Also she did not "beat down" Odin. He was giving as good as he got…. In fact, the last scene showed him at a clear advantage(a la Gladiator one-handed chokehold)…
My friend, uru cannot be easily shaped and fashioned.
As I said before…. Even regular raw uru is said to be "unbreakable".
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5TWuYvJRaPY/WPjPWuD9csI/AAAAAAADZLA/p9ly6xyqMy0RHDAud35T_HC6NcX4sXDPQCLcB/s1600/066_007.jpg
Just because Odinson physically molded uru into a hammer or crushed "ultra-powerful" uru manacles doesn't mean it can be done on a whim by anybody. I consider them on the high side of things when it comes to showings.
Hell in the first instance, Loki proclaimed he was "the strongest man in creation".
Thor has molded ure into a hammer.
http://imgur.com/ltJfkMy.jpg
http://imgur.com/wdv0YKk.jpg
And in the second, Heimdall called him "the mightiest of the gods"..
http://imgur.com/Hh6pGM7.jpg
http://imgur.com/a0Tub2E.jpg
Btw mentioning steel, titanium, and carbonadium in the same breath as uru is a little silly. Come on….
Originally posted by h1a8
I never dismissed his older feats. They just don't add much weight as his current feats. The Godbutcher feat is a good feat. No doubt about it.
But it's not as great as you think. Thor hit Gorr many times. The totality of all hits created the feat.Anyway I say Jane beating down Odin is a greater strength feat.
Of course the Serpent is huge. I'm not debating its size. Just that is was mostly in ghostly form. I read somewhere (I think a bio) that only the head materialized. It's been a long time.
Thor will bury Jane in strength feats? Name one strength feat that's superior to physically beating down Odin or ripping adamantium/vibranium. [/B]
When was the last time you saw someone shattering celestial bodies as a mere side effect? Smh…
Saying the "totality of his hits created the feat" is what? Is that supposed to mean it was unimpressive?
sdurug
Already showed u that whatever form it takes, Jormugand keeps It's full weight and power. It is a being that is so large that it is described and depicted as able to wrap It's coils around a planet.
In two occasions where Thor had a major battle with it, it's sheer size and weight caused planetary level disturbances.
Causing natural disasters.
http://imgur.com/X9e07Oe.jpg
"The earth groaned."
http://imgur.com/pqNxWpP.jpg
"Tore Midgard asunder."
http://imgur.com/bONHsWV.jpg
"The shaking earth."
http://imgur.com/gwHLiTc.jpg
Strength? Aside from the list of foes he's fought and or beaten which is >>>>>>>>>> going rounds with Odin…
Molding uru into a hammer.
Crumbling uru manacles into dust.
Along with Herc, created enough pressure to knock a planet out of orbit just by arm wrestling.
Ripping the Midgard Serpent from earth.
Shattering celestial bodies while hammering Gorr.
Knocking out the Phoenix with a hammer throw and sent it flying multiple planetary distances.
Physically resisted Demogorge's digestive process by ripping his innards that bound him while 7 hell lords that included names like Mephisto, Pluto, HeLa, Set, and half a dozen champion gods failed to do so.
Along with Bill, the shockwaves from their colliding hammers destroyed a portal that dwarfed nearby suns, planets, etc
