Bane vs. Winter Soldier h2h

Originally posted by KingD19
My God. You're awesome. He's gonna come up with some bullshit cockamamie reason why that doesn't matter, but this clinches it if nothing else has lol. Also that column was to support an entire highway. It would've been exponentially harder to even crack much less shatter with a robot. 😎

Wouldn't it be hilarious if he started claiming that pillar was drywall?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Wouldn't it be hilarious if he started claiming that pillar was drywall?

He's going to claim that the truck was moving at high speed and thus the majority of force was generated from that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's going to claim that the truck was moving at high speed and thus the majority of force was generated from that.

Originally posted by h1a8
very good! And the fact that Ultron is extremely hard and weighs a lot. It's equivalent to hitting something with a sledge hammer.

Are you going to be smart enough to drop that line of argument or do I need to start posting pictures where vehicles have hit the pillars without doing 1/10 the damage that was in that scene just to prove how utterly retarded the argument is?

How are you going to also discount Cap knocking Ultron 20-30 feet.

Originally posted by KingD19
How are you going to also discount Cap knocking Ultron 20-30 feet.

The guy wasn't smart enough to do a 30-second Google search, which would have let him know I was setting him up to look incredibly stupid by suggesting that argument.

Originally posted by Nevan
Bane took several punches to make a small hole in a concrete pillar.

How is that in any way comparable to Cap throwing Ultron with one arm and making a hole big enough to fit a person?

Hell do you think Bane could have survived a single punch from Ultron?

Ownage

Originally posted by KingD19
These are just from TFA -

Rips off a WW2 era car door and uses it as a bullet shield

No, he didn't. The door broke off from the crash.

https://giphy.com/gifs/xUOrwsipJ1A6dIVC2k/

https://giphy.com/gifs/l1K9ESppJc2JifQ6Q/

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you going to be smart enough to drop that line of argument or do I need to start posting pictures where vehicles have hit the pillars without doing 1/10 the damage that was in that scene just to prove how utterly retarded the argument is?

Originally posted by h1a8
Vehicles are not as durable (hard) as a full body sledge hammer. Hardness is a very important factor.

So now you're arguing that durability has more to do with force than mass or acceleration? I thought you were supposed to be smart and a teacher(math, physics).

Do you realize how retarded that is?

BTW, has anyone else noticed that h1 is doing his best to ignore "writer's intention" for this scene, despite the fact that he's argued for pages that we should use "writer's intention" for Bane and even going so far as to state "writer's intention" supersedes all?

Yes writer's intention was clear. Cap is just strong enough to punch Ultron through a pillar like that.

That pillar actually crumbled like a solid concrete pillar should.

Edit: picture was too big, so changed it to just the link.

http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/megabus-crash-hit-pillar.jpg

http://www.ocregister.com/2010/12/06/man-in-pickup-dies-after-crashing-into-bridge-pillar/

Originally posted by Silent Master
So now you're arguing that durability has more to do with force than mass or acceleration? I thought you were supposed to be smart and a teacher(math, physics).

Do you realize how retarded that is?

A vehicle deforms more than solid steel. Much kinetic energy would be lost due to the deformation.

And like we both said, the truck's velocity contributed to the final momentum of Ultron.

Bane's fist is less hard than solid metal. Thus he has to punch with MORE force just to achieve the same effect as if his hand was made of solid metal.

For someone that claims to teach both Math and Science how is it that you're not smart enough to realize that any momentum gained from the speed of the vehicle would have been spent long before he reached the pillar?

Originally posted by Silent Master
For someone that claims to teach both Math and Science how is it that you're not smart enough to realize that any momentum gained from the speed of the vehicle would have been spent long before he reached the pillar?

Why?

You do know that people have literally thrown baseballs faster than 130mph by throwing them from a car traveling fast.

Are you referring to wind resistance? The wind resistance would kill the initial momentum?

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh?

Why?

You do know that people have literally thrown baseballs faster than 130mph by throwing them from a car traveling fast.

Are you referring to wind resistance? The wind resistance would kill the initial momentum?

Post clips of someone throwing a 130mph fastball by throwing it in the opposite direction from a moving vehicle.

Originally posted by h1a8
very good! And the fact that Ultron is extremely hard and weighs a lot. It's equivalent to hitting something with a sledge hammer.

A more accurate comparison would be someone breaking concrete with the flat side of a shovel.