Bane vs. Winter Soldier h2h

Originally posted by KingD19
So the guy far weaker than Cap and Black Panther will do some serious damage to Bucky? While Bane can take multiple hits from the metal arm that only Cap and above is seen tanking?

Originally posted by h1a8
He's not far weaker, he was able to bust a stone column with a punch. This makes him at least a peer.

He is far weaker, by both feats and writer's intention.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He is far weaker, by both feats and writer's intention.

Originally posted by Inhuman
The strength thing doesn't really matter much tbh.
Let's say Bane does have low super human strength like Ozy.
Bane would still be a tier below Cap & WS in strength. Add to the fact Bane is a slow brawler from what is seen in the film.
Doesn't matter how much strength we issue Bane, this is still a non fight with WS winning 10/10

h1, put up a video showing Bane's feats, or state them.

I'll do the same for Cap.

We can directly compare.

Originally posted by KingD19
h1, put up a video showing Bane's feats, or state them.

I'll do the same for Cap.

We can directly compare.

Everytime I post the gifs from the Baleman movies H1 conveniently ignores them.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Everytime I post the gifs from the Baleman movies H1 conveniently ignores them.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are irrelevant.

So feats from the movie are irrelevant to discussions about the movie?

Originally posted by h1a8
They are irrelevant.

So what exactly do you base your arguments on, for the characters you are arguing for, if it's not "Movie feats" from the actual movies these characters appeared in?

Originally posted by h1a8
Bane punches through a stone column. Bane is insanely smart.

These are just from TFA -

Rips off a WW2 era car door and uses it as a bullet shield.
Shatters the canopy of an incredibly advanced Hyrda mini-sub(stated so to be beyond his abilities by Howard Stark)
Throws the submarine pilot from the water at least 15 feet straight up onto the dry dock.
Casually holds up a motorcycle with 3 women on it for an extended amount of time.
Sends people flying with light punches and kicks(Bane never sent Batman flying no matter how hard he hit him)
His rough equal Red Skull dented a steel shield with a punch.

But yeah, Bane punched through a stone column.

Bane's intelligence means nothing to Cap in a fight, especially since Cap is a tactical genius who has plenty of feats of that as well.

Originally posted by Inhuman
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So what exactly do you base your arguments on, for the characters you are arguing for, if it's not "Movie feats" from the actual movies these characters appeared in?

H1's arguments are based on his opinion of the writer's intention. key words being "his opinion'.

Originally posted by KingD19
These are just from TFA -

Rips off a WW2 era car door and uses it as a bullet shield.
Shatters the canopy of an incredibly advanced Hyrda mini-sub(stated so to be beyond his abilities by Howard Stark)
Throws the submarine pilot from the water at least 15 feet straight up onto the dry dock.
Casually holds up a motorcycle with 3 women on it for an extended amount of time.
Sends people flying with light punches and kicks(Bane never sent Batman flying no matter how hard he hit him)
His rough equal Red Skull dented a steel shield with a punch.

But yeah, Bane punched through a stone column.

Bane's intelligence means nothing to Cap in a fight, especially since Cap is a tactical genius who has plenty of feats of that as well.

Bane's feat is still greater or equal to any of those feats. If you disagree then name the feat you think is greater by a significant amount and we'll discuss it.

Originally posted by h1a8
In TFA he wasn't a tactic fighting genius. He relied on being enhanced.

Bane's feat is still greater or equal to any of those feats. If you disagree then name the feat you think is greater by a significant amount and we'll discuss it.

He sniped a guy hiding in a tree with his shield.
He knew the guy driving off was faster than him, so instead of chase him directly he used his immense knowledge of the streets of New York to cut him off.
He easily commanded troops the moment he rescued them from highly secure bases.

He didn't showcase it as much as in further movies, but it was there.

And how is Bane a genius? Wasn't every part of that plan Talia's and Bane was just the face?

Okay, the submarine feat. Cap with one or two punches shattered highly advanced glass meant to keep the hydra guy safe long enough for him to go all the way back to Germany in deep waters. Howard said it was so advanced he didn't know what to do with it.

Glass designed to stop multiple tons of gravity crushing you underwater vs a column.

Originally posted by KingD19
He sniped a guy hiding in a tree with his shield.
He knew the guy driving off was faster than him, so instead of chase him directly he used his immense knowledge of the streets of New York to cut him off.
He easily commanded troops the moment he rescued them from highly secure bases.

He didn't showcase it as much as in further movies, but it was there.

And how is Bane a genius? Wasn't every part of that plan Talia's and Bane was just the face?

Okay, the submarine feat. Cap with one or two punches shattered highly advanced glass meant to keep the hydra guy safe long enough for him to go all the way back to Germany in deep waters. Howard said it was so advanced he didn't know what to do with it.

Glass designed to stop multiple tons of gravity crushing you underwater vs a column.

Originally posted by h1a8
In TFA he wasn't a tactic fighting genius. He relied on being enhanced.

Bane has no fighting feats that make him appear he has elite fighting skills.
From what is shown in the film he is just a slow generic brawler.
If you disagree with this, post a scene that shows otherwise.

Cap outclasses Bane in every department by several tiers.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Bane has no fighting feats that make him appear he has elite fighting skills.
From what is shown in the film he is just a slow generic brawler.
If you disagree with this, post a scene that shows otherwise.

Cap outclasses Bane in every department by several tiers.

We can't rely on the visual, otherwise Cap would be far slower than real professional fighters. We have to go on intent and suspension of disbelief. Bane is a master from the league of shadows, so is Bruce Wayne. Bane has shown the ability to fight technically and precise in his first fight with Batman. He showed good ability to defend and react and counter and throw meaningful combinations.

Many movies have the martial art characters sometimes go retard and brawl. Doesn't mean that they are poor fighters by intention. Remember, character's scale to whoever they are fighting. If a superfast and highly skilled non-boss ninja was shown to fight Bane onscreen then Bane would be shown to easily beat that ninja.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can't rely on the visual, otherwise Cap would be far slower than real professional fighters. We have to go on intent and suspension of disbelief. Bane is a master from the league of shadows, so is Bruce Wayne. Bane has shown the ability to fight technically and precise in his first fight with Batman. He showed good ability to defend and react and counter.

Many movies have the martial art characters sometimes go retard and brawl. Doesn't mean that they are poor fighters by intention.

Where is Bane stated to be a "master from the league of shadows"?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is Bane stated to be a "master from the league of shadows"?

It was heavily implied that he was the current fighting master of the league of shadows.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was heavily implied that he was the current fighting master of the league of shadows.

I didn't ask where you believe it was implied, I asked where is Bane stated to be a "master from the league of shadows"

So either post the clip where he is stated to be a master or admit that it was never stated.