Originally posted by Silent Master
You claim to be a smart guy, so why don't you prove it by telling me what is wrong with your argument.
Fact1: Cap used the muscles of both his arms and hands to restrain the helicopter.
Fact2: The feat is calculated to take roughly 3000lbs of force to do.
If you believe Fact 1 is false (not a fact) then you must prove that Cap didn't use the muscles in one of his arms.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fact1: Cap used the muscles of both his arms and hands to restrain the helicopter.
Fact2: The feat is calculated to take roughly 3000lbs of force to do.If you believe Fact 1 is false (not a fact) then you must prove that Cap didn't use the muscles in one of his arms.
Now that you've restated your argument, point out where you made your mistake.
That is, assuming you're smart enough to find it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Now that you've restated your argument, point out where you made your mistake.That is, assuming you're smart enough to find it.
I see. So you are nitpicking stuff that doesn't change my point.
Ok, the mistake is assuming that each arm was exerting 1500lbs.
In actuality both arms were exerting ALMOST the same force (within 15% of each other). The chest muscles also help.
My point was that Cap supplied less than 1 ton of force on either arm. This puts the feat well in the vicinity of Bane's feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
I see. So you are nitpicking stuff that doesn't change my point.
Ok, the mistake is assuming that each arm was exerting 1500lbs.
In actuality both arms were exerting ALMOST the same force (within 15% of each other). The chest muscles also help.My point was that Cap supplied less than 1 ton of force on either arm. This puts the feat well in the vicinity of Bane's feat.
You still don't see the mistake you made, I thought you were supposed to be smart.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
for example when War machine got injured Tony shot Falcon with a seemingly regular repulsar blast that took him out, yet Cap took a beating plus [b]took 2 unshielded blasts to the same torso like Falcon and still got up ready for more.[/B]
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
In that same fight, Iron Man casually punched through a several inch thick wall and bodily yanked a guy through it with minimal effort. [b]Hit another guy with a repulsor blast so hard that he actually cratered another wall on impact (it's actually the first repulsor in that gif, but the impact got cut off).[/B]
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And Tony's suitcase armour (a lower-end, on-the-fly armour) sent a town car skidding like 20 feet with little more than a shove from his foot. Bucky's arm can knock chunks out of concrete. Iron Man casually put his arm through a concrete wall, and pulled someone back through it.
Well yeah, Bucky's metal arm is always portrayed as superior to Cap, but it gets confusing when BP does better against the arm than Cap but then Cap seems even with him.
As for the armor strength feats, there is also the cave suit hitting that locked metal door, causing it to dent and with a few more hits breaking the lock and knocking it off the hinges. While fighting Stane he caught a falling Audi Q7 (those things weigh around 2.3 tons) while at 20% power.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And I fail to see how Cap's H2H being better suddenly means their physical stats are comparable. The fact that, once the AI could track Cap's moves, Tony could easily catch a shield strike from Cap and bring it to a dead halt (similar to what Spiderman did to WS' metal arm, and Tony also actually did to the metal arm earlier in the fight as well), suggests Iron Man is stronger.
You're right,but the inconsistency of the fight hurts your argument as well.
Fight opens with as you said, Tony stunned Cap with a (thruster powered) backhand, then catching WS's punch
When Cap tackled him with the shield, Tony returned the favor with a booster powered shoulder tackle which sent Cap flying despite Cap blocking it with the shield. Red Skull, Bucky, Panther, Ultron, heck even Thor has yet to knock back Cap that far by hitting his shield. (lasers and bombs are another issue, but that's another argument)
Cap stopped a flying Iron Man cold by grabbing his leg in the opening of the fight, suggesting he might be stronger than Iron Man even with the boosters.
Tony was not even able to counteract the force of Cap falling while using his thrusters, then again fell down when Cap jumped on to him carrying Bucky even with the extra boost of his chest thrusters.
Iron Man barely rattled a metal paneling by knocking Bucky into it by a thruster powered kick, while the combined weight of him, Bucky and Cap was enough to knock a similar one clean off
Bucky was able to pry Cap's arm off his neck while Cap had him in the sleeper hold while only using the metal arm in TWS, while he failed to do that to Iron Man with both arms
Then Cap gets Iron Man in a sleeper then Iron Man seems to have trouble breaking that hold
Then Bucky overpowers Iron Man with his normal arm
Iron Man then even unable to even budge either of the arms even by pushing them at the elbow
He then catches the shield hit as you said
But unlike before several blows fail to keep him down
Then the beat up Cap lifts him up and tony is unable to escape even with the thrusters
In short, a clusterf*ck
Also, Bucky hit Tony with the shield edge twice in the fight. If the beat up Cap can cut that deep into the armor with the shield, the fight should have ended the first time Bucky got a hit in with the shield
http://i.imgur.com/3PL7kGa.gifv
http://i.imgur.com/rwN8NwL.gifv
Originally posted by psycho gundam
If you look at the fight that mount wasn't really going to determine the end of the fight considering how much damage Cap can take
Originally posted by psycho gundam
He also took repeated punches to the face from Winter soldier's left arm in the self titled film after the latter shot him several times. That arm can go through concrete as well.
And in Civil War Bucky oneshotted him with the metal arm when he was escaping.(I consider that PIS though, like many instances in the climax fight and elsewhere in the movie)