Hajime no Ippo

Originally posted by cdtm
So how about Woli vs Vorg?

Vorg actually tagged him in their little spar. And was definitely holding back, which is why he quit before someone got hurt.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Am not all that impressed by Woli other than his "potential." Would be reall sweet for him to be an opponent for Itagaki down the line. For now, however, Vorg annihilates him if he's serious. You'll see why during his upcoming fight.

Have to admit, Vorg's grown on me. All that "Mary sue" talk, plus everyone on various forums backing him over everybody, was kind of priming me for Wolverine/Hulk fanboy bait.

But he really won points from me for how he handled Woli. Didn't show off play in one upmanship, instead of called it quits on the arrogant sob and walked away.

That is AWESOME. As opposed to Ippo overdoing everything by accident, or Sendou having to outdo everybody, Vorg is mature enough to know he has nothing to prove, and that someone getting hurt in a pointless spar just isn't worth it.

In a simple act of walking away, Vorg proved to be the bigger man.

Wanr to add to my Sendou/Randy Boy comments:

Of course, Sendou already faced a southpaw in Shigeta. He'll always have the ssme potential to "smash" his way to victory.

Problem is, Randy Boy is more then just a southpaw. He's both an orthodox and a southpaw, and can switch it up so flawlessly it messes up anyones rythm. And on top of that,.he's insanely tough.

Honestly, this would play out like his Vorg fight at best. Randy dominates/does the Asura thing, eats a smash or two (Guarded/unclean from the switching), and eventually wins on decision.

So Ippo goes from fighting a fighter with brain damage, one with a questionable record who relies on tricks, to a fighter with only three match's who acts like a monkey, to a fighter who isn't even ranked....

Sensing a pattern here. What's next, a hobo clown? An Amish professional wrestler?

Side characters like Miyata, Vorg, Mashiba, and Sendou get awesome match's, while Ippo gets nothing but sideshow carnival freaks. The writer must really hate his main character.

There are reasons for why the fights are the way they are thematically.

But right now I'm just really depressed. Not angry in the slightest. Just depressed. Morikawa stahp. You're too good at your job.

Originally posted by cdtm
So Ippo goes from fighting a fighter with brain damage, one with a questionable record who relies on tricks, to a fighter with only three match's who acts like a monkey, to a fighter who isn't even ranked....

Sensing a pattern here. What's next, a hobo clown? An Amish professional wrestler?

Side characters like Miyata, Vorg, Mashiba, and Sendou get awesome match's, while Ippo gets nothing but sideshow carnival freaks. The writer must really hate his main character.

Hell, I'll even take Miyata as the lead character at this point.

I kind of want to follow Date and his really bad fighters for a few stories. 😆

Is it any wonder he drank so much at the bar? 🙂

He's a garbage coach, but I think he'd make a better coach for Ippo than Shinoda and. . . Kamogawa from the looks of things. ❌

Don't know if you read the Kojima fight yet, but I find myself starting to agree with all the sh-t he talked.

That happened before the awesome barroom brawl/Takamura vs Ippo-verse. You really can't call him wrong.

And he also executed a brilliant strategy in the match. Neck training or no neck training, Ippo should have been out, bare minimum (As it was, looked like he had a concussion, but nothing came of it.)

That fight should be in the "Plot armor" section of TV Tropes.

Originally posted by cdtm
That happened before the awesome barroom brawl/Takamura vs Ippo-verse. You really can't call him wrong.

And he also executed a brilliant strategy in the match. Neck training or no neck training, Ippo should have been out, bare minimum (As it was, looked like he had a concussion, but nothing came of it.)

That fight should be in the "Plot armor" section of TV Tropes.

If memory serves me, you should be touching upon Itagaki's class A tournament and Vorg's world title bouts pretty soon. Looking forward to your thoughts! 🙂

Man, that A class tourney has almost no participants at all.

You'd think everyone and their mother would line up for this thing, but 7th and 8th ranked Aoki and Kimura only have to fight two people.. 😂

Well, now that all depressive build up for the comeback fight makes a bit more sense.

Originally posted by cdtm
Man, that A class tourney has almost no participants at all.

You'd think everyone and their mother would line up for this thing, but 7th and 8th ranked Aoki and Kimura only have to fight two people.. 😂

I felt pretty bad for Saeki.

But damned if he didn't go out like a king, instead of a clown (Poor Aoki and Kimura probably really should retire. Especially Aoki, he could make a killing in baseball, or run his own food business..)

Vorg vs Mike:

Best fight in the series, by far. Was on the edge if my seat, and really had no idea who would win (I only know Vorg is world class, but never spoiled if he ever won on the highest stage.)

It's going to be almost impossible for Ippo to outdo that, from a drama/quality standpoint.

The best fight in the series for me will always be Ippo vs Sendo 2, but Vorg vs Mike is up there in light of actually being pretty realistic, manga physics aside (pretty sure the hien is flat out impossible 😂 ). Both boxers know how to in-fight and out-fight and had enough technical know-how not to be beaten by the one-dimensional gimmicks we see from Ippo and Sendo. And for the record, Vorg would beat the hell out of current Ippo. 👆

Not gonna comment on Itagaki until you read his second fight with Imai. Needless to say, am not a fan of that bout.

Originally posted by cdtm
Vorg vs Mike:

Best fight in the series, by far. Was on the edge if my seat, and really had no idea who would win (I only know Vorg is world class, but never spoiled if he ever won on the highest stage.)

It's going to be almost impossible for Ippo to outdo that, from a drama/quality standpoint.

It was a fantastic fight yeah. It honestly puts Vorg’s journey into perspective. Sue or not he puts up with some shit for being Russian.

Vorg vs Mike is one of those fights that have actual depth as far as twist and turns go. Definitively one of the better coreographies of the series.

You know, just once, I'd like to see Ippo get a little bit arrogant.

I mean, he's got the world on his mind, and Sendou won't stop bothering him about a spar? Get irritated, Ippo! When Kamogawa walks in and sees you don't have a mark on your face while Sendou's all beaten up, tell him you disobeyed, but that if you couldn't crush old rivals, you had no business challenging the world.

Or something. You know the coach would beam with pride if Ippo got cocky/irritated for a change, then managed to back it up. Sendou would be pretty damned proud, too.