Originally posted by leonidas
i guess it depends on how strong you see the destroyer. stronger than thor? i think that has been established over the years. how MUCH stronger? it was shown to be far stronger than hulk when maestro inhabited the suit. what impact would repeated disintegration rays have?i'd say classic destroyer would likely be able to win. taking in all the recent showings (and yeah the mangog showing did strike me as being not especially good...) i might lean to prime. i still think a case can be made for both.
this would make for a very fun bz imo.
Originally posted by cdtm
What are YOU talking about?Post the scans, if you think it amped him. Post where it states this.
If Hulk had a suit on that continuously fed him gamma energy, any fights with him having that suit on is irrelevant. The suit is continuously feeding him yellow sun light. Do the freaking math. It's not an average fight for him vs Adam.
So what happens when Superman is under a yellow sun? Does he get stronger from dawn to, say, 12 P.M., when the sun is strongest?
Does he get weaker from noon to dusk, as the sun declines?
Is Superman Escanor? Or does his strength keep to a standard power level, regardless of the position of the sun?
Superboy Prime spent weeks/months without a sun. The armor was to bring his power level back up to standard. Because, that's what the comic SAID it was doing.
If Carv can supply a scan supporting his position, I might reconsider..
Originally posted by cdtm
Should be easy enough to post the scans saying he's amped, then.
I dont need to since the suit is continuously feeding him sunlight. It's like you are not comprehending what I am saying. If the suit wasnt on, then you're lame argument would have some type of relevance but he had a power source around his body. Common sense + common sense = think for a change.
Originally posted by cdtm
So what happens when Superman is under a yellow sun? Does he get stronger from dawn to, say, 12 P.M., when the sun is strongest?Does he get weaker from noon to dusk, as the sun declines?
Is Superman Escanor? Or does his strength keep to a standard power level, regardless of the position of the sun?
Superboy Prime spent weeks/months without a sun. The armor was to bring his power level back up to standard. Because, that's what the comic SAID it was doing.
If Carv can supply a scan supporting his position, I might reconsider..
This is actually true.
Originally posted by carver9First of all, using Prime crying out in pain when he then showed he was completely unharmed and was vastly overstating the pain to mock Black Adam is silly boy logic carver.
I thought that sun suit Prime had on always fed him energy? If that was the case, why would we even look at the showing against Adam as a norm? Also, Adam made him scream out in pain with the first punch.
https://i.imgur.com/nxvS5Ai.png
Second of all, Prime is almost invariably equipped with some variation of his solar armour when he shows up, starting with Infinite Crisis. IIRC the only time he showed up without it was when Guardian Amped in Countdown to Final Crisis.
Thirdly, cdtm is actually right. His armor is not an amp. Quite the opposite in fact. During occasions where he is wearing it but hasn't actually fed on real yellow sunlight, he seems to be weaker.
https://i.imgur.com/pFg1Dxx.png
"This sinner must starve for God's gracious light. Why else would he still be wearing that harness? "
"Zauriel is correct. He's been locked away on Oa for over a year. His Kryptonian cells have yet to fully recharge."
Even Prime's assurance that he is "nearly" whole still acknowledges that he isn't quite up to his full level of power. And in fact, given context, one could easily surmise that Prime is downplaying how low his power reserves are given his actions in the fight. Namely, making a beeline east for the sunrise to get back to full power.
https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png
Which is supported by how, once he actually gets a touch of real sunlight on his hand, he easily overpowers the horde of heroes literally dogpiling him, including heavy hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, Supergirl, and Power Girl.
https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png
Regardless, however you choose to interpret these scans, there is no argument to be made that SBP's suit amps him above his natural maximum power level. There's nothing supporting that my friend.
Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all, using Prime crying out in pain when he then showed he was completely unharmed and was vastly overstating the pain to mock Black Adam is silly boy logic carver.https://i.imgur.com/nxvS5Ai.png
Second of all, Prime is almost invariably equipped with some variation of his solar armour when he shows up, starting with Infinite Crisis. IIRC the only time he showed up without it was when Guardian Amped in Countdown to Final Crisis.
Thirdly, cdtm is actually right. His armor is not an amp. Quite the opposite in fact. During occasions where he is wearing it but hasn't actually fed on real yellow sunlight, he seems to be weaker.
https://i.imgur.com/pFg1Dxx.png
"This sinner must [b]starve
for God's gracious light. Why else would he still be wearing that harness? "
"Zauriel is correct. He's been locked away on Oa for over a year. His Kryptonian cells have yet to fully recharge."Even Prime's assurance that he is "nearly" whole still acknowledges that he isn't quite up to his full level of power. And in fact, given context, one could easily surmise that Prime is downplaying how low his power reserves are given his actions in the fight. Namely, making a beeline east for the sunrise to get back to full power.
https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png
Which is supported by how, once he actually gets a touch of real sunlight on his hand, he easily overpowers the horde of heroes literally dogpiling him, including heavy hitters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, Supergirl, and Power Girl.
https://i.imgur.com/fTtmzR5.png
Regardless, however you choose to interpret these scans, there is no argument to be made that SBP's suit amps him above his natural maximum power level. There's nothing supporting that my friend. [/B]
This post doesnt make one bit of sense. The suit was obviously powering him up... its literally said in the scans you've posted and then, that is a completely different suit...
Again, if something is feeding you your power source, CONTINOUSLY, then any showings while this item is on becomes irrelevant. Cant get any simpler than this. I know you like Prime but he was wearing something that was feeding him power.
Originally posted by carver9
This post doesnt make one bit of sense. The suit was obviously powering him up... its literally said in the scans you've posted and then, that is a completely different suit...Again, if something is feeding you your power source, CONTINOUSLY, then any showings while this item is on becomes irrelevant. Cant get any simpler than this. I know you like Prime but he was wearing something that was feeding him power.
The source, very clearly, states that at best, Prime is nearly whole wearing the suit. Not twice as whole, not whole and a half, but nearly.
As far as it being a different suit, you're going to have to prove that for some reason the second suit is worse than the first one. Good luck doing that.
Why are you trying so hard to discredit him being punched by Adam by the way? It's not even a particularly impressive feat by the character's standards. What's your motive?
Originally posted by NemeBroThe source, very clearly, states that at best, Prime is nearly whole wearing the suit. Not twice as whole, not whole and a half, but nearly.
As far as it being a different suit, you're going to have to prove that for some reason the second suit is worse than the first one. Good luck doing that.
Why are you trying so hard to discredit him being punched by Adam by the way? It's not even a particularly impressive feat by the character's standards. What's your motive?
He was nearly whole due to him being weakened before facing the heroes. The suit was replenishing his power which is the reason he was almost fully powered. If it wasnt for the suit, he would have still been depleted. You're reading the scan completely wrong and you are helping my argument. Then, like I've said before, the suits are not the same. You are posting a completely different armor.
