Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^Sin, he is a Superman homage because the creator had Superman in Mind while creating him. Miracle Man is also a homage to CM who is a Superman-clone, or someone who was created to be like Superman. But I wouldn't say these days that he is a ripp off, rather he is influenced by chars like Superman, MM and such.
Who said that?
Everything else u said i had already agreed on
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^Sin, he is a Superman homage because the creator had Superman in Mind while creating him. Miracle Man is also a homage to CM who is a Superman-clone, or someone who was created to be like Superman. But I wouldn't say these days that he is a ripp off, rather he is influenced by chars like Superman, MM and such.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Who said that?Everything else u said i had already agreed on
I read once an interview where his creator stated that he had Superman in mind or he wanted to make Marvels Superman or something like this. Can't remember the page and my memory is quite vague about what he exactly said. There are so many things that happen over the years and so much new info, that I seem to forget things like this. I can't even remember the names of most of my classmates when i see their pics xD. I still remember the important things so it can't be that bad...
I never got a chance to read the complete SENTRY series after it finally came out but I did see a couple issues. It looked really good and important elements had changed considerably with the new creative team. Jenkins and I had envisioned SENTRY as a completely original mid-level superhero, on the level of IRON MAN or DAREDEVIL. In the series he became one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe; pretty much a SUPERMAN clone dressed in the requisite cape and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound etc.In the issues I saw, the retro element was scaled back too, with much more focus given to the present day SENTRY. I think that was the part of the character Paul really wanted to write and it certainly played to the strengths of Jae Lee’s dark brooding artwork
Originally posted by Sin I AM
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Theres also the London massacre/Voids Manhattan massacre. Kid Miracle Man manipulating Johnny/ Void manipulating Robert. Both are middleaged overweight, blond, impotent husbands in nonpowered forms. Both got plot amnesia, aged and suddenly remembered everything. Both good side antagonist aspects begged for death after recoiling at the horror they caused.
Etc etc...but yea hes a superman ripoff cuz hes like strong n can fly n shit.
Now post the comments of the Marvel writers INCLUDING THE CREATOR of the character in reference to Superman's influence.
Your comments clearly indicate your inability to grasp subtlety, nuance, and context as it comes to the application of Superman's mythos in reference to Sentry.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I read once an interview where his creator stated that he had Superman in mind or he wanted to make Marvels Superman or something like this. Can't remember the page and my memory is quite vague about what he exactly said. There are so many things that happen over the years and so much new info, that I seem to forget things like this. I can't even remember the names of most of my classmates when i see their pics xD. I still remember the important things so it can't be that bad...
I wasnt doubting you. 😚
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Now post the comments of the Marvel writers INCLUDING THE CREATOR of the character in reference to Superman's influence.[b]Your comments clearly indicate your inability to grasp subtlety, nuance, and context as it comes to the application of Superman's mythos in reference to Sentry.
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Those are Veitch words about what his thoughts are on Jenkins stolen ideas. Veitch didnt even write ANY SENTRY STORIES. Ive seen that interview guy youre not schoolin anyone here. Stop parroting shit u dont know
http://www.rickveitch.com/tag/the-sentry/
The original idea was NOT a clone. And even if it was writer statements mean nothing compared to on panel feats. You have my permission to leave now.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
The original idea was NOT a clone. And even if it was writer statements mean nothing compared to on panel feats. You have my permission to leave now.
You really ARE not that bright!
The ON PANEL FEATS SUPPORT THE SUPERMAN CANON MARKING SENTRY AS A CLONE!!!!
Others have already pointed these story arcs to you.
I've DESTROYED and SHAMED you about your IGNORANCE of Thor.
DON'T MAKE ME HUMBLE YOU AGAIN!!!!
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I wasnt doubting you. 😚Those are Veitch words about what his thoughts are on Jenkins stolen ideas. Veitch didnt even write ANY SENTRY STORIES. Ive seen that interview guy youre not schoolin anyone here. Stop parroting shit u dont know
This part was TOO GOOD!!!
WHAT DID JENKINS AND BENDIS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT SENTRY'S STATUS IN REFERENCE TO SUPERMAN?!!!
I SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT ANY VEITCH INTERVIEW!!!
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You really ARE not that bright![B]The ON PANEL FEATS SUPPORT THE SUPERMAN CANON MARKING SENTRY AS A CLONE!!!!
Others have already pointed these story arcs to you.
I've DESTROYED and SHAMED you about your IGNORANCE of Thor.
DON'T MAKE ME HUMBLE YOU AGAIN!!!! [/B]
Naw troll harder and continue to ride the coattails of others arguments. U r beneath my notice
Originally posted by panthergod
Sentry= Nuclear Man.Blatantly.
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Superman 3: featuring the theme that is the heart of Sentry concept as a Superman derivative:
Jenkins has said as well that he intended for Sentry to have similarities with Miracleman, if you look at their origin stories they are eerily similar. Both wake up from a bad dream. Both appear to be overweight in their human form. They both remember who they were previously and transform into the superheroes they once were. Both have alter egos.
They both had catastrophic battles resulting in many hundreds of deaths. Though in the Miracleman comic they depict it much better. No idea why they didn't in the Sentry comic. Perhaps due to censorship.
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I never understand why people are so obsessed with Sentry being a clone of Superman. They really are so much different. Right they have a base of operations, have a canine companion, have an s on the costume so how does that make him a direct clone? In the end is there anything one could dof or a character like that without them being like Superman in any way?
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Jenkins has said as well that he intended for Sentry to have similarities with Miracleman, if you look at their origin stories they are eerily similar. Both wake up from a bad dream. Both appear to be overweight in their human form. They both remember who they were previously and transform into the superheroes they once were. Both have alter egos.They both had catastrophic battles resulting in many hundreds of deaths. Though in the Miracleman comic they depict it much better. No idea why they didn't in the Sentry comic. Perhaps due to censorship.
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I never understand why people are so obsessed with Sentry being a clone of Superman. They really are so much different. Right they have a base of operations, have a canine companion, have an s on the costume so how does that make him a direct clone? In the end is there anything one could dof or a character like that without them being like Superman in any way?
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Sentry isn't anything close to being a Superman clone. They don't have a single thing alike minus an S shield. If flight, super strength and super speed makes you a clone then the first page would be full of 100s of peeps.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Jenkins has said as well that he intended for Sentry to have similarities with Miracleman, if you look at their origin stories they are eerily similar. Both wake up from a bad dream. Both appear to be overweight in their human form. They both remember who they were previously and transform into the superheroes they once were. Both have alter egos.They both had catastrophic battles resulting in many hundreds of deaths. Though in the Miracleman comic they depict it much better. No idea why they didn't in the Sentry comic. Perhaps due to censorship.
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I never understand why people are so obsessed with Sentry being a clone of Superman. They really are so much different. Right they have a base of operations, have a canine companion, have an s on the costume so how does that make him a direct clone? In the end is there anything one could dof or a character like that without them being like Superman in any way?
..Miracleman is a third gen Superman derivative as well, so.. Yeah. None of your arguments refute the fact that Sentry influences are a confluence of Superman derivative ideas. Directly or indirectly. Even the idea of being forgotten is derived from Len Weins Superman run.
Originally posted by panthergod
..Miracleman is a third gen Superman derivative as well, so.. Yeah. None of your arguments refute the fact that Sentry influences are a confluence of Superman derivative ideas. Directly or indirectly. Even the idea of being forgotten is derived from Len Weins Superman run.
Why are you so intent for Superman to be the inspiration behind every character in such a huge way? I gave a perfectly good reason as to why Sentry is a pastiche of sorts to Miracleman but instead of addressing that you jump to oh well Miracleman is obviously a Superman derivative which is completely missing the point.
I could go back to fiction before Superman and find something from any medium where a character forgets his identity and call Superman a derivative of that. But it wouldn't be true. By some extent Superman has such a vast history you can pick many characters and find one thing they share with Superman and say well he's a Superman copy.
Nobody is denying and I have never said (and you can ask anyone on this forum) that heroes like Superman (as in the caped flying Superhero etc etc) probably wouldn't be around as much if not for Superman and the impact he had. But just because characters share characteristics doesn't instantly mean they have to be a direct clone. There comes a point where denying certain similarities is something I wouldn't do because I would be disingenuous.
But I think you are confusing sharing characteristics by element of nature to direct derivation. Does any character with a red and blue costume mean it was inspired by Superman for example? Red and Blue are some of the most popular colours in the world so many designers would be bound to choose them. Doesn't mean they have Superman in mind every millisecond that they use their brain to design does it?