Zod (MoS) vs Wonder Woman

Started by Silent Master6 pages
Originally posted by Psychotron
Except Wonder Woman's best is nowhere near Superman's. Not even close.

I believe you mean Zod's, not Superman's. remember, this is Zod vs WW.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So Zod bullrushes WW while trying to hit her at slowmo and gets his head cut off in the process.

Not arguing for anyone but showing you where the 'everyone operates at the lvl of their best feat ever' line of reasoning leads to.

You have any proof she can put a kryptonian in slo mo?

Originally posted by Sable
You acting like Zod didnt know how to fight is Hilarious because he lost to the House of El is hilarious, I guess you were dropped on your head as a child.

Who was supposed to be the badass that can beat the head of the military? Was it the scientist or the nerd?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except Wonder Woman's best is nowhere near Superman's. Not even close.
Reflex-wise? Of course it is my friend.

Quit bringing up Superman in my thread buddy, he's not in this fight.

Originally posted by Sable
You have any proof she can put a kryptonian in slo mo?
WW speed feats >>>>> punches thrown by Zod or Superman during their bullrushes.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WW speed feats >>>>> punches thrown by Zod or Superman during their bullrushes.

Nope, she never put Ares or his henchman in slo mo. Neither demonstrated any type of super speed, and were able to tag her.

/thread

Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Reflex-wise? Of course it is my friend.

Quit bringing up Superman in my thread buddy, he's not in this fight.

Zod is Superman's equal.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

False equivalency, her super speed only worked on fodder.

To be fair, he tried to BFR Zod and he went for the BFR right away with DD. So that's 2 out of 4. And he did try to fly away with Faora before Nam-Ek stopped him, then he BFR'd Nam-Ek to save that bald soldier guy from Faora.

I'd say BFR is very likely for Superman.

He didn't try to bfr Zod or Faora. He didn't bfr Nam.

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't try to bfr Zod or Faora. He didn't bfr Nam.

Did you forget the part where Superman took Zod into space? Sure, it didn't work because Zod can fly too, but he tried.

As for Faora, he grabbed her and tried to fly off, but he was stopped by Nam-Ek.

He absolutely did BFR him when he punched him into a train composition a few miles away. Nam-Ek didn't return until after Faora was down.

TBH yeah he tends to give himself breathing room with BFR.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Just like Superman didn't bfr everyone into space as soon as the fight started?

#SHOCKED

He pretty much tries to BFR everyone.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Did you forget the part where Superman took Zod into space? Sure, it didn't work because Zod can fly too, but he tried.

As for Faora, he grabbed her and tried to fly off, but he was stopped by Nam-Ek.

He absolutely did BFR him when he punched him into a train composition a few miles away. Nam-Ek didn't return until after Faora was down.

How can you bfr someone that can fly? Superman isn't stupid. The fight just carried out there. Superman wasn't trying to bfr him.
P.S. I don't remember Superman trying to take Zod to space (DD yes).

Superman wasn't trying to bfr Faora. He was just bull rushing her.

Superman only attempted bfr once, with DD.

Reaction Time

So, what kind of reaction time would Wonder Woman need to block a bullet with her Bracelets of Submission? How about a quick estimation. OK, here's the situation: some bad guy fires at Wonder Woman with a bullet moving 700 m/s. Yes, that is a different value than I used earlier, but I want to go with a something that she should be able to block.

Wonder Woman's reaction time depends not only on the speed of the bullet, but the distance it travels before hitting her. Instead of using the distance between Wonder Woman and the bad guy, I will use the distance at which she first notices the bullet. If you want some homework, you could use the angular resolution of the human eye and the size of the bullet to approximate the bullet detection distance, but I will call it 30 meters and be done with it.

If the bullet travels at a constant speed, I can use the definition of average velocity to find the travel time:

La te xi t 1

Inserting my values for speed and distance, I get a bullet travel time of 0.043 seconds (43 milliseconds). Not much time to react. It seems to me that a good visual reaction time might be around 160 ms—but I guess this is one reason Wonder Woman is so super.

But I can also estimate the power (in watts) that Wonder Woman would need to block a bullet. Now, blocking a bullet would require her to accelerate her hand to a given speed, then stop it and deflect the bullet—all in 43 milliseconds. It's easier to break this into two equal parts. Part 1 is increasing the speed of the hand from zero to some value in total distance and half the total time. Part 2 is slowing the hand down in half the time and distance. Yes, this is an approximation, but it allows me to easily calculate the average velocity. Since the initial velocity is zero, the final velocity would be twice the average.

I will use a total hand moving distance of 1 meter and a hand-wrist-forearm mass of 1.5 kilograms. During the acceleration part of the hand-block, the hand would achieve an average velocity of 23.3 m/s and a maximum speed (in the middle of the motion) of 46.6 m/s. I can calculate the power with the following definition:

La te xi t 1

I already know the time interval, but what about the change in energy? Since the hand goes from moving to not moving, the change in energy is simply the change in kinetic energy:

La te xi t 1

This gives me everything I need (mass, maximum speed, time) to calculate the power. Plugging in these values, I get a bullet-blocking power of 76,000 watts. Whoa. That's about 100 horsepower. Wonder Woman has the power of an economy car in one arm. Another reason she is so super.

All of which is to say, Wonder Woman is superhuman and you definitely should not try blocking bullets, even with the Bracelets of Submission.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can you bfr someone that can fly? Superman isn't stupid. The fight just carried out there. Superman wasn't trying to bfr him.
P.S. I don't remember Superman trying to take Zod to space (DD yes).

Superman wasn't trying to bfr Faora. He was just bull rushing her.

He was trying to remove him from Metropolis so they don't cause more damage. That's pretty literally battlefield removal.

They brought down a satelite. Don't you remember?

Bullrusing her by grabbing her with one hand and attempting to fly off? Don't be silly.

BFR is in character for Clark.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He was trying to remove him from Metropolis so they don't cause more damage. That's pretty literally battlefield removal.

They brought down a satelite. Don't you remember?

Bullrusing her by grabbing her with one hand and attempting to fly off? Don't be silly.

BFR is in character for Clark.

That's not bfr. Bfr is not when you also remove yourself from The battlefield.

Remember, leaving the battlefield is not allowed.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not bfr. Bfr is not when you also remove yourself from The battlefield.

Remember, leaving the battlefield is not allowed.

That wasn't a stipulation in that fight so that's irrelevant. Under forum rules Superman absolutelly would go for a BFR.