Originally posted by h1a8
What does that got to do with your point? You are arguing that you can't separate other things from a feat. Either it's a feat for both or PIS for both
We are not talking about two separate instances here, it happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.
If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's like saying getting punched by a heavyweight MMA fighter in the face is more destructive than getting stabbed with a knife in the face by a 15 yr old kid. Which would you rather get hit with?Superman only survived the nuke via recharge from the sun. Without that recharge he'd be a gonner. Thor at least withstood the biforst explosion without harm and without any "healing" period. Now, Loki is not Thor, but then Faora is also not Superman.
No, that's like saying getting hit by a speeding lorry is more destructive than getting stabbed by a knife. And I'd rather get stabbed.
That would imply he was dead, which he wasn't. I think you're forgetting that right before that fight Superman was hit with Kryptonite gas twice in the middle of the night with no sunlight to recharge him. So he took that nuke at less than 100% power. He also has the Singularity and World Engine feats to back up his durability. What does Kurse have, getting stabbed by Loki and dying from something Superman would laugh off?
No, Faora is not Superman, but she is a lot closer to him than Loki is to Thor.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, that's like saying getting hit by a speeding lorry is more destructive than getting stabbed by a knife. And I'd rather get stabbed.That would imply he was dead, which he wasn't. I think you're forgetting that right before that fight Superman was hit with Kryptonite gas twice in the middle of the night with no sunlight to recharge him. So he took that nuke at less than 100% power. He also has the Singularity and World Engine feats to back up his durability. What does Kurse have, getting stabbed by Loki and dying from something Superman would laugh off?
No, Faora is not Superman, but she is a lot closer to him than Loki is to Thor.
My bad, I meant Kurse is closer to Thor (and even more) than Faora is closer to Superman. At least in terms of durability. Faora can't even remove her helmet without getting KO'd.
As for your analogy, you're completely off here. Loki has a good deal of superhuman strength. Maybe not as much as Superman but it's still not a small amount. Anyone who can trade blows with Thor is no laughing matter. So your comparison of a lorry is completely exaggerated.
So I repeat, which would you rather get hit with: A punch to the face by a heavyweight professional fighter or a stab to the face with a knife by a little kid?
Originally posted by Silent Master
We are not talking about two separate instances here, it happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.
I never said anything about two separate instances. I said separate things (objects).
You know like Hulk and his pants.
Originally posted by h1a8
I never said anything about two separate instances. I said separate things (objects).
You know like Hulk and his pants.
It happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.
If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
It happened to both of them at the same time, therefore if it's a feat for one person it's a feat for both.If you disagree I'm more than willing to Battle Zone it.
I'm not disagreeing. I didn't give a stance yet. I'm just saying that your argument must apply across the board. Hulk's durability feats suck or his pants are tougher than him.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not disagreeing. I didn't give a stance yet. I'm just saying that your argument must apply across the board. Hulk's durability feats suck or his pants are tougher than him.
My stance is that feats that involve multiple people either count for all of them, or none of them.
If you disagree, my offer to BZ is still open.
Originally posted by Silent MasterHow is this logically consistent?
My stance is that feats that involve multiple people either count for all of them, or none of them.If you disagree, my offer to BZ is still open.
If someone disagrees with that assertion they are saying that Lois isn't nearly as durable as Superman (or Hulk, for that matter), because with Lois specifically her surviving is PIS.
So if they disagree with your stance that feats that involve multiple people either count for all or none or them, they are saying that they can in fact count or not count depending on the individual character, so they don't believe that Lois is as durable as the Hulk or more, which is what you would want them to debate, despite that not being what they believe.
You didn't really think this one through.
Originally posted by FrothByte
My bad, I meant Kurse is closer to Thor (and even more) than Faora is closer to Superman. At least in terms of durability. Faora can't even remove her helmet without getting KO'd.As for your analogy, you're completely off here. Loki has a good deal of superhuman strength. Maybe not as much as Superman but it's still not a small amount. Anyone who can trade blows with Thor is no laughing matter. So your comparison of a lorry is completely exaggerated.
So I repeat, which would you rather get hit with: A punch to the face by a heavyweight professional fighter or a stab to the face with a knife by a little kid?
That's not a durability issue, though. That's sensory overload. And those masks aren't that fragile. Zod's mask took multiple shots from an enraged Superman and a gas station exploding before it started "crack". Similarly, Faora's mask took quite a bit of punishment before being destroyed. Honestly, considering Thor only had a some light cuts on his face after a beatdown from Kurse, I'd say her mask will hold just fine. Assuming he can even tag someone that fast, of course.
It's not, Superman is a lot stronger than Thor, never mind Loki.
He didn't get stabbed in the face, however. He got stabbed in the chest, and obviously no vitals were hit. Real humans have fought on after similar injuries, so while impressive, it's not a game changer.