Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.
Because he has better striking feats, if you actually watched the movie you would know.
Originally posted by Sable
Slapping it away isnt the same as picking it up. Its never been stated the hammer cant be redirected. His hammer is easily destroyed in the upcoming movie as well.
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.
It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.
Originally posted by Surtur
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.
QS has no super strength though, but, yeah you're probably right anyways.
Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not a durability issue, though. That's sensory overload. And those masks aren't that fragile. Zod's mask took multiple shots from an enraged Superman and a gas station exploding before it started "crack". Similarly, Faora's mask took quite a bit of punishment before being destroyed. Honestly, considering Thor only had a some light cuts on his face after a beatdown from Kurse, I'd say her mask will hold just fine. Assuming he can even tag someone that fast, of course.It's not, Superman is a lot stronger than Thor, never mind Loki.
He didn't get stabbed in the face, however. He got stabbed in the chest, and obviously no vitals were hit. Real humans have fought on after similar injuries, so while impressive, it's not a game changer.
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.
You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.
Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
QS has no super strength though, but, yeah you're probably right anyways.
You are correct, but yeah the way the scene was setup it seemed like it was meant to say it was the enchantment that prevented it.
Though he did seem to be easily lifting up humans when he was snatching all those people off the train.
Originally posted by Surtur
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.
Grabbing the handle instsntly activates the enchantment. Same with when Hulk tried to grab the handle mid flight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.
Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.
He didnt just have a few scratches. He was almost killed.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How does one come to the conclusion that Superman is so much stronger than Thor? Superman lifts shit sure, but Thor's striking feats are better, and that's what matters in a fight.
Superman striking feats with his fists are far greater than Thor's striking feats with Mjolnir.
Even if they were similar then Superman would prove significantly stronger since Mjolnir greatly amps Thor's striking power.
Originally posted by SurturThe lifting enchantment has no bearing on the return enchantment. A random metal door could initially stop the hammer from returning to Thor.
Kurse is slow, but he physically b*tch slapped Thor's hammer away. That's among the greatest strength feats in the Marvel movies IMO. Even Hulk could not budge the hammer.
Originally posted by SurturQuicksilver doesn't have super strength.
When Quicksilver tried to grab it mid flight he utterly failed, so I'd say the enchantment still works.It's also not fair to say it's "easily" destroyed. We do not know how powerful the person who destroys it is.
Also, QS tried to GRAB the hammer, not hit it away.
Originally posted by h1a8He didn't have to overcome tons of force to smash through the Ultron bots, so no he doesn't. It's definitely the enchantment that stopped him from catching it.
Quicksilver doesn't have super strength.
Even if the hammer had no enchantment then we would get same result. QS would have to overcome tons of force (assuming Thor threw it with that level of force) just to stop it within a small distance.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.
Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.
I gave you an example. Not that it matters as Kurse could have a different physiology than a human. vital organs could have been missed. It's irrelevant to how hard it is to ko him.
The proof of sensory overload is her facial expression before she was hit by the missile. This affected her somewhat and was a factor.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has much higher durability showings than Faora. So having just a few scratches after getting pounded by Kurse is not a low showing for Kurse.You have no proof that it was sensory overload. You want to make a claim like that you should back it up.
Give me an example of a human having been run through the sternum with a 3-inch wide blade that was still able to function properly after.
Really? Because Faora's durability was never challenged. She was KOed by sensory overload.
Yes, I do. Her helmet was on the fritz after Superman hit her to save the bald soldier guy. Then she gets hit by a missile. In the next scene her helmet is gone and she's unconscious. The previous scene with Zod's helmet and senses established that Kryptonians are vulnerable to sensory overload.
I don't know about swords, but check this out
http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-pussy.html
Fighting on despite sustaining mortal wounds is possible even for a human. It shouldn't be a big deal for a dark elf on fantasy PCP.
By the way, you still haven't explained how a slow brick like Kurse will even hit Faora.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman striking feats with his fists are far greater than Thor's striking feats with Mjolnir.Even if they were similar then Superman would prove significantly stronger since Mjolnir greatly amps Thor's striking power.
Superman doesn't have anything close to destroying the rainbow bridge or Sokovia. even in the Malekith fight, which is a lot more tame than Thor's high end stuff, there were instances of generating very similar levels of force as the Superman Zod fight.
Additionally, I don't even know why I'm talking about Superman, Faora is a far cry from Superman. She's has a few hours max, of sunlight exposure, where as Supes has 30+ years.
Originally posted by Arachnid1They had terrible durability. BW, Cap, and Hawkeye were damaging them. Inverse ninja rule dude.
He didn't have to overcome tons of force to smash through the Ultron bots, so no he doesn't. It's definitely the enchantment that stopped him from catching it.
But I agree that speed increases his striking power. (Not lifting strength). But the strength of Thor is vastly greater than the durability of those bots.
Lastly he slowed the hammer down and altered its path the moment he grabbed it. It fell down straight down a level and was stopped.
A more precise showing to support the enchantment would be the Hulk showing.
Then the argument now becomes, "the enchantment is activated when something tries to possess Mjolnir ".
Originally posted by Khazra RebornDo you know how many times Thor struck the bridge? The total feat is divided by the number of strikes. Also you do not know how durable the bridge was. You have no point of reference.
Superman doesn't have anything close to destroying the rainbow bridge or Sokovia. even in the Malekith fight, which is a lot more tame than Thor's high end stuff, there were instances of generating very similar levels of force as the Superman Zod fight.Additionally, I don't even know why I'm talking about Superman, Faora is a far cry from Superman. She's has a few hours max, of sunlight exposure, where as Supes has 30+ years.
Sokovia was a shared feat by many factors. First of all, it was Thor's lightning that did more than the actual strike. IM played a part, the engines played a part, and the structural integrity played a part (good luck lifting a building without it crumbling from a domino effect).
Faora is strong as shit. She casually stopped Superman's punches and threw him a mile into a solid thick steel bank vault door. The door was instantly crushed from impact. I barely see Kurse doing something like that.
Originally posted by h1a8
Do you know how many times Thor struck the bridge? The total feat is divided by the number of strikes. Also you do not know how durable the bridge was. You have no point of reference.Sokovia was a shared feat by many factors. First of all, it was Thor's lightning that did more than the actual strike. IM played a part, the engines played a part, and the structural integrity played a part (good luck lifting a building without it crumbling from a domino effect).
Faora is strong as shit. She casually stopped Superman's punches and threw him a mile into a solid thick steel bank vault door. The door was instantly crushed from impact. I barely see Kurse doing something like that.
It doesn't matter how durable it was, you see the destruction Thor's strikes caused. Sokovia is a bit muddy I agree, but you can clear as day see a city wide shockwave that coincides with Thor's strike. The nuclear explosion could be the engines, I'm not really sure TBH. Never the less, crushing (at the very least) the surface of a whole city with a single hit is beyond anything Superman has done thus far.
Yeah she's strong, but she's not up to snuff. She caught Superman off guard, he was able to fight her and Nam-Ek at the same time.