Thanos w/HOTI vs. Cosmic Armor Superman
Thanos w/HOTI:
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vs.
Cosmic Armor Superman:
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Who wins?
Re: Thanos w/HOTI vs. Cosmic Armor Superman
Originally posted by backup
Thanos w/HOTI:https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104069/2422972-marvel_the_end__6__8_.jpg
vs.
Cosmic Armor Superman:
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Who wins?
You mean HOTU? Thanos wins with ease!
Originally posted by Juntai
The Cosmic Armor wins. That's what it was designed to do. Its a force greater than the multiverse that adapts to any plot and wins.If the plot is, Thanos attains HOTU and fights him, it evolves, and beats him.
And there is where you are wrong! Because Thanos doesn't have to fight him because he becomes superman. While the Infinity gems gives you all the power in the universe, the HOTU actually makes you all the beings within this - Thanos description of the HOTU. Thanos erases Superman with the Cosmic Armor with a thought.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexanderit is created to win any scenario, regardless of scenario. time, space, multiverses and their characters are just stories being told from it's perspective and it's a walking plot designed to evolve and be greater than any shy of the Overvoid/Overmonitor itself.
And there is where you are wrong! Because Thanos doesn't have to fight him because he becomes superman. While the Infinity gems gives you all the power in the universe, the HOTU actually makes you all the beings within this - Thanos description of the HOTU. Thanos erases Superman with the Cosmic Armor with a thought.
The whole point of it being Beyond3D was to show how far beyond the 2 Dimension comics 'stories' he actually was.
He existed conceptually in the highest point that a story can achieve, drastically beyond the level of the multiverse in the highest conceptual sphere. At bridge between reader, god, and stories forming around him. He feels the comic being held, the pages turning, and feels as if he can actually reach out and touch the reader [being 3D and popping up from the page, obviously.] and could feel and change the story.
The stronger the enemy, the stronger it writes itself to be to win, to no determined end. It just wins. Propelled forward by the very concept of heroism, projected by the reader.
This was essentially Morrison's retelling of god creating the angels/Monitors, and the enemy, but all in the form of conceptually high end cosmic beings, and CA Superman is greater than all of them.. It even defeats the part of the OverMonitor itself that hates the multiverse and stories. Just keeps evolving past it.
Originally posted by Juntai
it is created to win any scenario, regardless of scenario. time, space, multiverses and their characters are just stories being told from it's perspective and it's a walking plot designed to evolve and be greater than any shy of the Overvoid/Overmonitor itself.The whole point of it being Beyond3D was to show how far beyond the 2 Dimension comics 'stories' he actually was.
He existed conceptually in the highest point that a story can achieve, drastically beyond the level of the multiverse in the highest conceptual sphere. At bridge between reader, god, and stories forming around him. He feels the comic being held, the pages turning, and feels as if he can actually reach out and touch the reader [being 3D and popping up from the page, obviously.] and could feel and change the story.The stronger the enemy, the stronger it writes itself to be to win, to no determined end. It just wins. Propelled forward by the very concept of heroism, projected by the reader.
This was essentially Morrison's retelling of god creating the angels/Monitors, and the enemy, but all in the form of conceptually high end cosmic beings, and CA Superman is greater than all of them.. It even defeats the part of the OverMonitor itself that hates the multiverse and stories. Just keeps evolving past it.
IK. But there is the problem with it! Because the Enemy is itself. When Thanos grabbed the HOTU he became everyone in the Multiverse. He could feel what they felt, hear what they hear, everything! He obtained the power of everyone and erased everything in existance, including the Livinig tribunal. It is said that the HOTU is the power of TOAA itself. If this is true then the Armor can't equal this power, since TOAA is above everything, he simply is.
But again, it isn't a matter of Thanos just coming and fighting superman, like he would do if he had the Gaunlet. Thanos would become Superman with the Armor and just erase him from existance like he did with all the other beings.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderAnd all that he became was still below Cosmic Armor Superman.
IK. But there is the problem with it! Because the Enemy is itself. When Thanos grabbed the HOTU he became everyone in the Multiverse. He could feel what they felt, hear what they hear, everything! He obtained the power of everyone and erased everything in existance, including the Livinig tribunal. It is said that the HOTU is the power of TOAA itself. If this is true then the Armor can't equal this power, since TOAA is above everything, he simply is.But again, it isn't a matter of Thanos just coming and fighting superman, like he would do if he had the Gaunlet. Thanos would become Superman with the Armor and just erase him from existance like he did with all the other beings.
And, that avenue wouldn't work, because the Armor would adapt to the story.
Originally posted by Juntai
And all that he became was still below Cosmic Armor Superman.And, that avenue wouldn't work, because the Armor would adapt to the story.
You mean the Armor would adapt to it's own power? Because once Thanos grabs the Heart he would be Superman with the Cosmic armor. So, it would be like Superman fighting himself. Thanos wins dude, just erases Superman.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You mean the Armor would adapt to it's own power? Because once Thanos grabs the Heart he would be Superman with the Cosmic armor. So, it would be like Superman fighting himself. Thanos wins dude, just erases Superman.
Cosmic Armor is as unbeatable as anything below a Supreme being. Thanos gets stomped like nothing.
Originally posted by Juntai
And all that he became was still below Cosmic Armor Superman.And, that avenue wouldn't work, because the Armor would adapt to the story.
What has it overcome that makes it superior to the HOTU?
Thanos also makes the distinction that unlike his previous omnipotence, this was not an external property to him:
Or for a better word, he became God.
Originally posted by Damborgson
What has it overcome that makes it superior to the HOTU?Thanos also makes the distinction that unlike his previous omnipotence, this was not an external property to him:
Or for a better word, he became God.
Cosmic Armor was beyond Source, beyond entire DC creation and more powerful than anything in creation besides Mandrakk. It was literally undefeatable, unstoppable story of Superman given form to stop the enemy of all existence.
It's one of the most meta things in comics and isn't suitable for battle boards.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's still a universal status of being and even Source is able to grant that to Spectre with a portion of its power.
No. Not universal status, because he was able to defeat the Living Tribunal with it. A universal status weapon isn't above the Tribunal. For instance, the Infinity Gaunlet is a universal status weapon, for there is 1 gaunlet in each universe. An the Tribunal is above these. The HOTU however was able to defeat everything, tribunal and everything. He wiped out the Multiverse. There was only Thanos, in empty space. Then he set everything back, and gave up his powers.
So, no. The Heart of the universe isn't considered a universal weapon, and can threaten the entire multiverse. As i said before, the one who possesses the Heart Becomes everything in the universe, and potentially the multiverse. So, if Superman were to fight Thanos with this, he would lose, for superman is a being which is part of the multiverse/universe therefore HOTU has power over him. In that sense, then Superman would lose. No matter how powerful the Armor is, it would lose, since the one wearing the armor is affected by the Heart. The HOTU doesn't have to penetrate or directly attack the armor to damage the one wearing it.
Superman would lose. Not saying that the Armor is affected by the Heart, but he one wearing it is. Thanos erases superman from existance and therefore the armor is left without anyone to wear it but Thanos 😛 😛 😛 .
