Thanos w/HOTI vs. Cosmic Armor Superman

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
HOTU Thanos only destroyed a single universe, not the multiverse. This has been proven time and time again.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_the_Universe

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/heart-of-the-universe/4055-56451/

read about the HOTU. It is considered an omnipotent weapon. And it did erased the entire Marvel Multiverse. That is the very reason the Living Tribunal tried to stop him in the first place. Cause it threatened he entire multiverse and it did.

The HOTU grants is weilder omnipotent powers.

Thanos erases superman with a wave of his hand. And the Armor remains floating in the void of space just to be grabbed by thanos in the end. 😛

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

The Heart of the universe isn't considered a universal weapon, and can threaten the entire multiverse. As i said before, the one who possesses the Heart Becomes everything in the universe, and potentially the multiverse. .

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_the_Universe

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/heart-of-the-universe/4055-56451/

read about the HOTU. It is considered an omnipotent weapon. And it did erased the entire Marvel Multiverse. That is the very reason the Living Tribunal tried to stop him in the first place. Cause it threatened he entire multiverse and it did.

The HOTU grants is weilder omnipotent powers.

Thanos erases superman with a wave of his hand. And the Armor remains floating in the void of space just to be grabbed by thanos in the end. 😛

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos absorbed a universe.

Did you read the links???

He doesn't seem interested in actually contesting the claim, just expressing it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Not universal status, because he was able to defeat the Living Tribunal with it. A universal status weapon isn't above the Tribunal. For instance, the Infinity Gaunlet is a universal status weapon, for there is 1 gaunlet in each universe. An the Tribunal is above these. The HOTU however was able to defeat everything, tribunal and everything. He wiped out the Multiverse. There was only Thanos, in empty space. Then he set everything back, and gave up his powers.

So, no. The Heart of the universe isn't considered a universal weapon, and can threaten the entire multiverse. As i said before, the one who possesses the Heart Becomes everything in the universe, and potentially the multiverse. So, if Superman were to fight Thanos with this, he would lose, for superman is a being which is part of the multiverse/universe therefore HOTU has power over him. In that sense, then Superman would lose. No matter how powerful the Armor is, it would lose, since the one wearing the armor is affected by the Heart. The HOTU doesn't have to penetrate or directly attack the armor to damage the one wearing it.

Superman would lose. Not saying that the Armor is affected by the Heart, but he one wearing it is. Thanos erases superman from existance and therefore the armor is left without anyone to wear it but Thanos 😛 😛 😛 .

Go read the comic and come back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, have you actually read this comic? Starlin's LT IS universal. There is a LT in each universe as per Starlin.

Go read the comic and come back.

I begin to wonder if you have read the comics. The Living Tribunal is Multiversal. It is perfectly stated by Eternity to Doom when this first meets Eternity. While the other cosmic beings are universal (There is one eternity, one infinity for each universe) The Living Tribunal is Multiversal, for there is one Tribunal for the entire Multiverse. Now i think i know where you are going wrong. The Living Tribunal is Omnipresence, which means yes, There can be a Tribunal in every universe. But this is because he is Omnipresence which means he can be in several places at the same time. This however doesn't mean he is universal.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I begin to wonder if you have read the comics. The Living Tribunal is Multiversal. It is perfectly stated by Eternity to Doom when this first meets Eternity. While the other cosmic beings are universal (There is one eternity, one infinity for each universe) The Living Tribunal is Multiversal, for there is one Tribunal for the entire Multiverse. Now i think i know where you are going wrong. The Living Tribunal is Omnipresence, which means yes, There can be a Tribunal in every universe. But this is because he is Omnipresence which means he can be in several places at the same time. This however doesn't mean he is universal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So now when its clearly established that under Starlin, LT of 616 universe is merely universal and HOTU only gave a fragment of power of TOAA who is not the writer BTW.

mmm

Lucifer wins this even more easily.

There is one LT in each universe as per Starlin, one actually died and was absorbed by Adam Warlock of that reality.

Could you show us where Starlin wrote LT as multiversal?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jim Starlin (who wrote HOTU) had LT as universal.

There is one LT in each universe as per Starlin, one actually died and was absorbed by Adam Warlock of that reality.

Could you show us where Starlin wrote LT as multiversal?

Lol. Is that the comic when Adam Warlock becomes the Living Tribunal??? Cause you should know that that story isn't canon.

And just because one writter states something doesn't mean it is true. Other comics will disapprove his statements. Besides Starlin doesn't have the authority to make such a claim; a claim which would Retcon several continuity comics.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Tribunal_(Multiverse)

Here, he is considered a Multiversal being.

You keep posting Wikis. They aren't evidence.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol. Is that the comic when Adam Warlock becomes the Living Tribunal??? Cause you should know that that story isn't canon.

And just because one writter states something doesn't mean it is true. Other comics will disapprove his statements. Besides Starlin doesn't have the authority to make such a claim; a claim which would Retcon several continuity comics.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Tribunal_(Multiverse)

Here, he is considered a Multiversal being.

Considering it's Starlin who wrote both stories, it's pretty much Canon for his own stories.

Thanos with the HOTU has the supreme power of one universe, he became everything that was in that universe which is why he was able to defeat that universe's LT.

Originally posted by Damborgson
What has it overcome that makes it superior to the HOTU?

Thanos also makes the distinction that unlike his previous omnipotence, this was not an external property to him:

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122896/5820351-4244127-2804694-marvel_universe___the_end__5_02.jpg

Or for a better word, he became God.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/a4/Thanos_with_The_Heart_of_the_Universe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140910164301

Beating LT doesn't change the scope of the story, as the Tribunal has M-Bodies in every universe. There isn't anything in the story that suggests it was more than one.

Damning evidence is that people that were outside of the universe at the time he was absorbing it were all just fine, beyond his power and his awareness. "Adam Warlock, only you could miss the end of the universe." http://imgur.com/ASeMCMu

But moreover, it's that none of this matters, because universe, and even multiverse power are still below the Cosmic Armor.

ffs stop posting handbooks/wikis as proof. meaningless AND against the rules.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, where do you find this evidence that it's non canon.

Considering it's Starlin who wrote both stories, it's pretty much Canon for his own stories.

http://www.fictionalbattleomniverse.com/t919-the-heart-of-the-universe-is-non-canon#.VtaJs30ABhY.reddit

Originally posted by Juntai
You keep posting Wikis. They aren't evidence.

Wikis Based on comics. They are evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwDlc9LeoTQ

There you got a video which explains the role of the Living Tribunal, and his cosmic Hierchy. It is based on comics if you wondered! Am trying to find this comic in where Eternity specifically states that the Tribunal is multiversal, but i cant find it. When i do i'll post it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, where do you find this evidence that it's non canon.

Considering it's Starlin who wrote both stories, it's pretty much Canon for his own stories.

His own stories. Not whats going on in the current universe. The story of Warlock becoming the Tribunal happens in another reality, and has no relation with the events that occur after Secret Wars. For instance, the Living Tribunal that appears in the Ultimates (which is a canon story) isn't Adam Warlock, proving that Starlin's story hasn't been taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Juntai
Right, instead of the Gauntlet, where he had the ability to control externally, he instead became it.

Beating LT doesn't change the scope of the story, as the Tribunal has M-Bodies in every universe. There isn't anything in the story that suggests it was more than one.

Damning evidence is that people that were outside of the universe at the time he was absorbing it were all just fine, beyond his power and his awareness. "Adam Warlock, only you could miss the end of the universe." http://imgur.com/ASeMCMu

But moreover, it's that none of this matters, because universe, and even multiverse power are still below the Cosmic Armor.

The fact of him defeating the Tribunal is prove enought that he did erased the entire Multiverse. The Tribunal never steps into a quarrel unless it threatens the Multiverse, and that has been pretty much stated several times through the comics. THE TRIBUNAL'S ROLE IS TO KEEP THE BALANCE IN THE MULTIVERSE. If the HOTU wouldn't have threatened this, the Tribunal wouldn't have appeared in the first place!

Originally posted by Juntai
But moreover, it's that none of this matters, because universe, and even multiverse power are still below the Cosmic Armor.

You are right, it doesn't matter that the Armor is above Multiversal scale, because Superman isn't. And he IS affected by the HOTU. Meaning the Armor is useless to protect him. Superman gets erases within the suit, whether you like it or not.

Wikis are not evidence on the forum. Until you stop using them and start using actual comics to back up your stances, no one will take anything you say seriously.

If you want to prove The End was a multiversal story, open up a comic and show us where, because Marvel's stance is that it's an alternate universes' future and only affected that universe. Earth-4321.

As such, people outside of that universe, like Adam Warlock when it was absorbed were unaffected.

Moreover, Thanos made death permanent, which also does not apply to the main Marvel Universe.