Violence at Neo Nazi protest.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's already happening. My parents both support Trump, and are both republicans. And for the last year they took issue with the idea that Nazis were on the rise in America. They thought it was hyperbole and exaggeration, but yesterday it became clear to them that it is a legitimate problem in this country that must be addressed. They were both shocked to see such a large rally with so many blatant Nazis and KKK members, walking around holding Nazi flags having swastika tattoos. And then the act of terror. They also both thought Trump should have gone further to denounce Neo Nazis specifically. They still support Trump, obviously, but at the very least more people than ever before know now that the nazis and other white supremacist groups have been emboldened and are more confident and comfortable in this country than they've been in a long time.

Again though, I ask where this outrage was when Obama wouldn't name Islamic terrorism?

Your parents are Republicans and this opened their eyes. You, as a liberal, did you take notice of Obama's failure to name it?

IMO this is the poison of hypocrisy. I can't bring myself to care, because the same bullshit was pulled with Islamic terrorists. But now suddenly the Dems are all about naming things and proper labels. Do you see hypocrisy there? Some Repubs have said Trump should have been more specific. I can't recall Dems calling for Obama to be more specific. In fact some of them supported not naming it.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's already happening. My parents both support Trump, and are both republicans. And for the last year they took issue with the idea that Nazis were on the rise in America. They thought it was hyperbole and exaggeration, but yesterday it became clear to them that it is a legitimate problem in this country that must be addressed. They were both shocked to see such a large rally with so many blatant Nazis and KKK members, walking around holding Nazi flags having swastika tattoos. And then the act of terror. They also both thought Trump should have gone further to denounce Neo Nazis specifically. They still support Trump, obviously, but at the very least more people than ever before know now that the nazis and other white supremacist groups have been emboldened and are more confident and comfortable in this country than they've been in a long time.

👆 to your parent's opening their eyes, they're not 100% there, but at least they're not willfully ignoring it like so many other Trumpers.

But if they're waiting for Trump to openly target and denounce these people, they're going to be waiting probably forever.

Originally posted by Surtur
Again though, I ask where this outrage was when Obama wouldn't name Islamic terrorism?

Your parents are Republicans and this opened their eyes. You, as a liberal, did you take notice of Obama's failure to name it?

IMO this is the poison of hypocrisy. I can't bring myself to care, because the same bullshit was pulled with Islamic terrorists. But now suddenly the Dems are all about naming things and proper labels. Do you see hypocrisy there?

You're making a flawed comparison with some bad assumptions.

You are assuming the problem comes from Trump not labeling it something specific. And maybe for some that is their problem. Personally I don't care if Trump calls it Naziism, White supremacy, white nationalism, or any number of other things. Just as I didn't care if Obama called, is islamic extremism or not.

I care that he openly condemns it in terms that are harsher than those he's used to go after members of his own political party for simply disagreeing with him on things. When Trump will go after his own party's senate leader using harsher terms than he will a group of nazis, then there is legitimate reason for critique.

Originally posted by Robtard
👆 to your parent's opening their eyes, they're not 100% there, but at least they're not willfully ignoring it like so many other Trumpers.

But if they're waiting for Trump to openly target and denounce White Supremacy, they're going to be waiting probably forever.

If only the other side was just as willing to open their eyes like these folk 👆

Originally posted by BackFire
You're making a flawed comparison with some bad assumptions.

You are assuming the problem comes from Trump not labeling it something specific. And maybe for some that is their problem. Personally I don't care if Trump calls it Naziism, White supremacy, white nationalism, or any number of other things. Just as I didn't care if Obama called, is islamic extremism or not.

I care that he openly condemns it in terms that are harsher than those he's used to go after members of his own political party for simply disagreeing with him on things. When Trump will go after his own party's senate leader using harsher terms than he will a group of nazis, then there is legitimate reason for critique.

I do not even know what to say to this. You say I am assuming the problem is him not specifically naming it. No lol. People have been calling for him to specifically denounce it, full stop.

So the Obama thing stands. He didn't name it, some on the left defended it. Said it wouldn't change anything by naming it.

Originally posted by Robtard
👆 to your parent's opening their eyes, they're not 100% there, but at least they're not willfully ignoring it like so many other Trumpers.

But if they're waiting for Trump to openly target and denounce these people, they're going to be waiting probably forever.

Well both of their fathers fought against the Nazis in WW2, they dislike a lot of stuff on the left, but they hate nazis much more.

I don't think they're really expecting Trump to, and they don't care too much about what he says about it, they would both prefer he say something a bit harsher, but it's not a big deal to them. They're more concerned about something actually happening to squash the rise of Naziism.

So here is the truth: nothing Trump said would have been good enough. The left is like a rabid dog now, going after anything. No matter what they will find a way to fault him.

But they whined and whined when people suggested their rhetoric lead to the Scalise shooting. How are these people to be taken seriously?

Originally posted by BackFire
Well both of their fathers fought against the Nazis in WW2, they dislike a lot of stuff on the left, but they hate nazis much more.

I don't think they're really expecting Trump to, and they don't care too much about what he says about it, they would both prefer he say something a bit harsher, but it's not a big deal to them. They're more concerned about something actually happening to squash the rise of Naziism.

Those are sensible Republicans, I know some myself.

Seems like they're putting the cart before the horse. Trump needs to first acknowledge that being a Nazi means you also can't be an American Patriot, then maybe something can happen to send these scums back into their compound basements.

Originally posted by Robtard
Those are sensible Republicans, I know some myself.

Seems like they're putting the cart before the horse. Trump needs to first acknowledge that being a Nazi means you also can't be an American Patriot, then maybe something can happen to send these scums back into their compound basements.

Can you be a member of Antifa and be an American patriot?

LoL @ Surtur and his ever present attempts at mitigating Nazis and their poor behavior

Fact: Not all anti-fascist are fascist

Fact: All Nazis are Nazis

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL @ Surtur and his ever present attempts at mitigating Nazis and their poor behavior

Fact: Not all anti-fascist are fascist

Fact: All Nazis are Nazis

I didn't ask you about people against fascism. Most are, you are..I am. I asked you about the group Antifa.

Can they be America patriots? Yes or no. If you seriously can't answer "no" there is a problem. Talk about not being willing to label shit lol.

Originally posted by Surtur
I do not even know what to say to this. You say I am assuming the problem is him not specifically naming it. No lol. People have been calling for him to specifically denounce it, full stop.

So the Obama thing stands. He didn't name it, some on the left defended it. Said it wouldn't change anything by naming it.

Yes, denounce =/= name. The problem people had with Obama is that he didn't label it the way they wanted. He still denounced and condemned it. No one denies that much. He just used a term other than Islamic extremism or islamic terrorism or whatever. Not only that, he explained his reasoning behind it - http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall/index.html

You may not agree with his reasoning, that's fine, personally I'd have no problem with him calling is Islamic terrorism. But the problem was with the label, not his denouncement.

Trump, on the other hand, won't even specifically denounce it. Where as Obama may not use the label "islamic terrorism", he would rhetorically go after specific organizations like ISIS and al Qaeda, the equivalent in white supremicist circles being Neo Nazis and the KKK, both of whom have national leadership and websites and the like. Both are for all intents and purposes actual organizations. Trump could do the same as Obama and concentrate on specific groups if he doesn't want to generalize too much. Or at the very least explain, like Obama did, why he doesn't want to.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, denounce =/= name. The problem people had with Obama is that he didn't label it the way they wanted. He still denounced and condemned it. No one denies that much. He just used a term other than Islamic extremism or islamic terrorism or whatever. Not only that, he explained his reasoning behind it - http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall/index.html

You may not agree with his reasoning, that's fine, personally I'd have no problem with him calling is Islamic terrorism. But the problem was with the label, not his denouncement.

Trump, on the other hand, won't even specifically denounce it. Where as Obama may not use the label "islamic terrorism", he would rhetorically go after specific organizations like ISIS and al Qaeda, the equivalent in white supremicist circles being Neo Nazis and the KKK, both of whom have national leadership and websites and the like. Both are for all intents and purposes actual organizations. Trump could do the same as Obama and concentrate on specific groups if he doesn't want to generalize too much. Or at the very least explain, like Obama did, why he doesn't want to.

Trump condemned both sides. Obama never specifically named it radical Islam. You are seriously going to excuse it? This is why Trump won. It is why he will win again unfortunately. Oh well.

Originally posted by Surtur
Trump condemned both sides. Obama never specifically named it radical Islam. You are seriously going to excuse it? This is why Trump won. It is why he will win again unfortunately. Oh well.

TIL: Trump won because Obama didn't say "radical Islam".

(Surtur's trying his best to find excuses in how he voted)

Originally posted by Surtur
Trump condemned both sides. Obama never specifically named it radical Islam. You are seriously going to excuse it? This is why Trump won. It is why he will win again unfortunately. Oh well.

That's the problem. After a terrorist attack that one side engaged in, Trump said both sides were wrong.

Obama never condemned both sides after an Islamic terror attack.

This is why your comparison isn't good.

Originally posted by BackFire
That's the problem. After a terrorist attack that one side engaged in, Trump said both sides were wrong.

Obama never condemned both sides after an Islamic terror attack.

This is why your comparison isn't good.

Um...folk are whining about not specifically naming it. Obama didn't specifically name it. I think my comparison is just fine. Whining over one thing not being labeled, but mouths absolutely closed about the other thing.

Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: Trump won because Obama didn't say "radical Islam".

(Surtur's trying his best to find excuses in how he voted)

No, Trump won because of delusional liberals who believe utterly stupid shit and who spew it to the masses. If Trump wins in 2020 I do not want to see a single liberal tear.

Get a hold of yourselves, push the stupid bullshit to the back burner. Do you not claim to be the superior party? Act like it or shut up about it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Um...folk are whining about not specifically naming it. Obama didn't specifically name it. I think my comparison is just fine. Whining over one thing not being labeled, but mouths absolutely closed about the other thing.

No, people are whining because he isn't denouncing it without including another irrelevant group. Naziism has nothing to do with antifas. He can call it whatever he wants, he should denounce it specifically and without attempts at deflecting to a different group.

Originally posted by BackFire
That's the problem. After a terrorist attack that one side engaged in, Trump said both sides were wrong.

Obama never condemned both sides after an Islamic terror attack.

This is why your comparison isn't good.

Can you imagine if Bush had condemned both Al Qaida and Amerca's actions/policies in the ME after a terror attack. Even his base would have eaten him alive. Trump's like Teflon to his most devote followers.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, people are whining because he isn't denouncing it without including another irrelevant group. Naziism has nothing to do with antifas. He can call it whatever he wants, he should denounce it specifically and without attempts at deflecting to a different group.

Dude, some are specifically going "name it!" The huff post had an article like that.

BOTH sides were pieces of shit. Did I just state something false? Cuz one side engaging in violence didn't kill anyone suddenly they get a pass? Nope. Again: this is exactly why he called out both sides. He knew people would twist this like that.