Originally posted by BackFire
I'm not talking about all white nationalists, I'm specifically talking about Neo Nazis right now. Murder is the only way to achieve the goal of Neo Nazis.I never said anything about rescinding their rights, though. I simply said they are all evil and believe in a murderous ideology. Never said anything about removing their right to protest.
Originally posted by jaden101
Anyone else noticed that the usual plethora of high profile "alt-right" blowhards have been conspicuous by their absence and the few that have stuck their heads above the parapet have engaged in the same desperate whataboutary that many in this thread have. Lauren Southern tried to peddle the "rumours the attacker was an antifa supporter" before finding it wasn't then said nothing. Sargon said that the left should address what they're doing that created the right wing reaction. Gavin Mciness said the same then said he wanted nothing to do with it. Well you do have something to do with it, Gavin. You don't get to stoke a fire and then absolve yourself of blame when it burns the fvcking place down. One glance in the comments sections of any of these so-called journalists youtube videos and you can see how they are idolised by the same swastika carrying spastics that were in attendance at that march.
And yes, he did say that the left should address the behavior that created this white wing reaction... and later on in the same video he lambasted the alt-right for this rally saying it was a stupid decision that'll lead to some shitty reaction on the left. He basically nailed the issue here. The issue is that politics has become a reactionary game. Donald Trump's election was in a sense partially a shitty reaction to intersectional social justice identity politics and other aspects of the democratic party people took issue with, and he's a shit underqualified president who appoints shitty people to positions of power with such thin skin he has to ***** about every personal slight against him on twitter. The mainstream left-wing media's shitty reaction, as well as that of the Democratic party, to Trump's presidency rather than taking what should be an easy win for them through poignant criticism of how much of a retard Trump is, instead they incoherently screech about the stupidest shit (like ice-cream and a twitter typo, and the constant Russia bullshit) and constantly destroy their own credibility (such as CNN staging a rally in Manchester, one of the executives at CNN admitting the Russia stuff was unsubstantiated bullshit they were doing for ratings, CNN implicating a threat to dox someone who made a meme if they say shit on social media they disagree with) or try to sue Trump for blocking people on twitter. And the shitty reaction to the MSM destroying their own credibility to try and bring Trump down is that a lot of people who resonate to Trump's contempt for the MSM eat up the no more factually accurate incoherent bullshit Trump himself spews on a daily basis, which is not a good thing for the country. Antifa riots and other bullshit like that are an obviously abhorrent shitty violent reaction to Trump's presidency and the success of other conservative politicians in the west.
The Alt-right, which though a shit movement with an abhorrent ideology run by people with their own individual agency, is a reaction to intersectional social justice, to professors in publicly funded colleges teaching shitty activist courses like gender studies or sociology professors indoctrinating their students in the racist ideology of critical race theory which teaches that all white people are inherently racist and that racial minorities are incapable of being racist, as well as a reactionary force to the removal of confederate statues which they claim to be historical revisionism. These people believe they are being oppressed, so when the local government tries to rescind their right to hold a rally as a response to their abhorrent ideology, they're claims that they are being oppressed are substantiated by the attempted denial of their right to assembly, or when several newspapers argue that the DOJ targeting inherently discriminatory Affirmative Action policies is disgusting and racist, the white supremacists are emboldened and outraged by what they rightly view as people trying to justify discrimination against white people as a matter of policy under the basis that not discriminating against white people would be racist. The violence on the part of the Alt-right here and some of them being armed (for which the shitbags in the Alt-right with their own individual agency are responsible for committing), cannot be ignored as something likely further emboldened by previous violent clashes instigated by Antifa against their rallies, sure they're more likely to bring pepper spray and weapons if they can claim its a proactive measure in case Antifa shows up again.
And I have no ****ing doubt that this move by the Alt-right is just going to embolden Antifa, advocates of intersectional social justice and critical race theory, those on the left who claim those on the right are all bigots... basically all of the alt-right's most abhorred political enemies will use this to further their agenda by using it to argue that there is indeed a powerful fascistic movement or a broad-sweeping systemic racism that needs to be countered with violent militant anarchist action (Antifa) or discriminatory intersectional social justice policies or indoctrination at universities. And when those people are emboldened and push that "Anti-fascist" militant action or the ideology of intersectional social justice and critical race theory, the Alt-right are going to feel more justified in their claim that the white race is under attack and that they need to collectivize as white people to protect the prospects of their race, which is going to embolden their enemies, which is gonna lead to their enemies doing some stupid shit that emboldens them, etc. etc. etc.
Looking at the Alt-right (nazi shittbags, old-fashioned racists, white nationalists, shitty parts of the Republican Party) and Ctrl-Left (SJWs, Antifa, the left-wing MSM, and shitty parts of the Democratic party) interact is truly horrifying, because it's like I'm on some ****ed up acid trip where there's two monsters fighting who morph into something more twisted and dangerous every time they take a blow from the other side. It's like the most ****ed up unholy codependent relationship ever where both groups hate each other but need each other to do horrible shit or spout shitty ideology to excuse their own shitty behavior as a response, all the while their relationship grows more dysfunctional and fractured with every reactionary measure taken by one side or the other. It's disgusting, it's why politics are currently as polarized as they are, filled with hateful and divisive rhetoric, have large instances of political violence from White Nationalists and Antifa, a media landscape where both the MSM and Trump spout total bullshit to try and win over anyone who will buy it, etc.
**** the Alt-right, I have no love for their racially collectivist ideology, I find it disgusting and abhorrent. And the members of the Alt-right are individuals who chose their disgusting ideology and chose to commit violence of their own agency, and now someone is dead and the killer is not absolved of any responsibility for their actions by pointing to the political climate, nor are those in the alt-right responsible for similar political violence, and Antifa while certainly not coming off as bad as the alt-right in this incident is responsible for their own regressive ideology and violent behaviors regardless of who that behavior is against. Despite the actions and disgusting ideology of the alt-right, it's foolish to pretend this is solely a problem with roots endemic to only the alt-right or right wing politics, when its part of a much larger reactionary cycle between the regressives on both sides of the political spectrum.
I watched the Sargon video earlier today actually. The dude is a liberal lol. Yet he has the audacity to not just condemn one side. That is like blasphemy I guess.
With the Dem's it is pretty much: know your role and shut your mouth. Their campaign theme:
The Republicans theme lately due to the winning:
Originally posted by BackFireer... in theory communism might work without murder, and in theory nazism could've worked without murder. in reality, neither has ever done so.
The difference is that the racial utopia that Nazis and Neo Nazis want is only possible by murdering those who don't contain the desired racial traits. Communism has no such requirement as it's not racially motivated. Communism requires everyone to be communist, but you can theoretically achieve that by changing minds. No such possibility exists for Naziism, as if someone is Mexican, they can't change their mind and stop being Mexican.Islamists have no end game as the group is too large and diverse and individualistic to gauge. You can be a Muslim without being a Muslim extremist. The same is not true for Naziism, Naziism is an inherently extreme ideology.
and islamists are specifically people who want a caliphate ruled under by shariah law, not just "muslims."
and assuming that you do draw some distinction between being a nazi and a white nationalist, as you claim, then what makes you so sure the group in question were all murderous nazis instead of white nationalists?
Originally posted by carthage
No you're very clearly trying to say "well both sides are violent, so that somehow means that both are to be blamed". Which is legitimately bullshit one side has a track record of killing people the other doesn't. Anymore brilliant revelations?
If both sides are violent than yes, you blame both sides, with the Lion's share of the blame going to the one that was more violent.
Are you somehow under the impression that one side being more violent somehow excuses violence from the other side?