There are different levels of stupidity on the POS scale. Comparing two sides in attempt to equate them is idiotic. For example: If a thread was made about violent BLM riots, anyone who tried to justify with the police brutality infecting law enforcement would be an idiot imo and just full out wrong. Like **** those guys, I can understand the frustration but breaking into a grocery store solves nothing.
Which is kind of the point here and why I'm so confused how people are mentioning Obama and Trump in the same sentence. If Obama pulled this bullshit, he'd definitely be getting rail roaded.
Trump has a duty to come out and tel those Nazi's to go f*ck themselves, he isn't polite about anything else. Now he's towing the line and bring graceful to both sides? **** that guy. He can tell the violent extreme liberals to stop being jackasses and picking fights or scum will run them over. He can also tel the Nazi's that their whole ideology is f*cked up, they are idiots and unAmerican af, and to drop dead.
Originally posted by EmperordmbOn Jesus, why do we draw the line at violence? If being a Nazi not enough? White supremacists are not your friends, they do not share your values, and they don't deserve your protection. The only argument for protecting these people's rights to assembly is to shield others from having their same rights abused, if it could be done without repercussion, I'd have them dropped on the moon. 😘
Point being, you cannot implicate a neonazi in a crime they have not committed just because their ideology is abhorrent. If they have not violated the rights of anyone else with their actions (which those who have committed violence have), there is no excuse for violating their rights by rescinding their right to assembly or preemptively committing violence against them (as the guy who suckerpunched Richard Spencer did or as the Antifa members who started a fight with a pro-Trump mob in Berkeley have done) regardless of how morally repugnant their ideology is.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEThe sad fact is that had you listened to his speech without context, you wouldn't have known that a person had been killed in an act of domestic terroism. Let alone by a Nazi.
The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect posted this screen capture from the website of a Neo Nazi group praising how Trump responded to the White Nationalists in Charlottesville:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On Jesus, why do we draw the line at violence? If being a Nazi not enough? White supremacists are not your friends, they do not share your values, and they don't deserve your protection. The only argument for protecting these people's rights to assembly is to shield others from having their same rights abused, if it could be done without repercussion, I'd have them dropped on the moon. 😘
And holy shit, the government rescinding somebody's rights or punishing them at gunpoint for what amounts to a thought or speech crime is a whole hell of a lot more immoral and unethical than holding or speaking disgusting viewpoints without actually violating anyone else's rights.
Yes, it is good to protect their right to assembly to prevent it from happening to someone with a less disgusting ideology. But it's also the ethical thing to protect their right to assembly because it would be extremely unethical to threaten government or vigilante force to prevent their assembly because you disagree with what they're saying, in fact it crosses a moral and ethical line that law-abiding white supremacists don't cross. As much as the word gets thrown around, to shut down their speech with force or threat of force would be an actual fascist tactic, as would physical violence against them, or executing them by dumping them on the moon.
And if that's actually your non-trolly opinion that you think white supremacists should ideally be executed, then you should do some serious reexamination of your moral character.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
^"they aren't your friends, therefore they don't deserve rights."
Almost as disturbing as "it's too bad we have to protect everyone's rights equally to prevent good people's rights from being violated... otherwise we could execute them for their views with no repercussions."
Originally posted by Beniboybling
People getting killed because Nazi's were allowed to assembly is what I find disturbing. 😐
Originally posted by BeniboyblingI have no problem with people airing their views, they just have to accept the consequences of their actions. I also feel Trump has to take responsibility for this "going mainstream" Alt right. He has given people like Bannon platforms to spread the rhetoric of hate. Idiots, hate by nature they are afraid of the different and need a whipping boy to feel good about themselves. Post 9/11 you have ready made whipping boys to get the people who are easily swayed to hate. Breitbart etc, have been putting this hate out their, poisoning the stupid and shifting the Overton window till what 15 years ago would have seemed radical is now the norm.
People getting killed because Nazi's were allowed to assembly is what I find disturbing. 😐
These idiots need confronting, people need to choose what they stand for and who they stand with.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Holy ****, we might disagree on a lot, but I respect you for not wanting to rescind the rights of others because you find their views disagreeable 👆
Every view has a right to be voiced no matter how abhorrent, people have to accept the consequences of those views, in life and history.
Triggered neo nazi's driving cars into people are a result of people standing by too long and not confronting the twisted rhetoric which got him in that state. People should have been saying to him when he started becoming radicalised, just like with Anders Brevic, are you sure you understand what's triggering you.
The people who propagated these views and made them the norm also have to be confronted or I see Trump in his bunker taking a suicide pill as the allies roll into Washington and I include in the Allies, the 50% of good Americans and 25% of the people who voted for him who will realise they are wrong.
From the New York Times and not Buzz Feed or one of Fly, Surt and Sable's sites.
Let’s discard the fiction that President Trump wasn’t placating white supremacists by responding so weakly to the neo-Nazi violence that killed Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old counterdemonstrator in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday. The neo-Nazis heard his message loud and clear.
“He didn’t attack us,” crowed The Daily Stormer, a white supremacist website, about Mr. Trump’s statement after the two days of racist demonstrations. “Refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
From Stevie Z.
He really needs to condemn them, unless he shares the same views as them and if he does he needs to say the number 18 and Blood and Honour have significance to him.