Violence at Neo Nazi protest.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Was this ever denied? What does that have to do with someone dying?

I'm pointing out that the whole BS people are putting forth about "they didn't murder anyone so do not deserve condemnation" is..well, BS. These are not angels, no you didn't personally claim it.

Except you keep trying to draw attention to Antifa's antics more and more and more in a thread that is not about Antifa's antics, but the death of a potential Antifa member at the actions of a group known to harbor and praise people who kill for something as pointless as a difference of opinion.

The violent clashes of the day lead to deaths. Antifa was a part of those violent clashes.

Then talk about that rather than Antifa's actions here. Antifa's got multiple threads dedicated to it's bullshit, use them.

They were just as much a part of the violent clashes that lead to these deaths.

Outside of the direct topic, you need to prove your wider narrative of CNN's fake news. I'm not saying I endorse CNN, but if you are going to make a fake narrative, you need to explain your standards of evidence then provide that evidence.

It is not a narrative, I was literally quoting from a CNN article. The article flat out said the things I described.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-charlottesville-statement/index.html

The exact quote:

[b]"Both sides don't scream racist and anti-Semitic things at people with whom they disagree. They don't base a belief system on the superiority of one race over others. They don't get into fistfights with people who don't see things their way. They don't create chaos and leave a trail of injured behind them."

So the first sentence is true, they do not scream racist stuff at people they disagree with. They do at times accuse people they disagree with of sexism/racism in order to shut down the conversation though, but meh on that.

Their believe system bit, also true. The 3rd sentence: pure fantasy. The 4th sentence: pure fantasy. Even if you remove Antifa from the equation they are still fantasy. We've seen people on the left show up to Trump rallies and get violent. Anti-Trumpers committed various acts of violence in the days and weeks following his victory.

As for the rest of that last bit I don't know what you mean there... I certainly never said Antifa was innocent, but Antifa's guilt or innocence is not the subject at hand here. What is the issue, is that a person is dead, a Neo Nazi did it and that is a fact. it's also not surprising that it would be the Nazis who crossed the uncrossable line. THAT is the subject.

You personally have not said they are innocent, but nobody listens to you. I don't mean that in a mean way, I just mean you don't really have a platform. So even if, right now, you said they were innocent it would be meaningless because like 6 people will see it. Now if you were a reporter or even if you were just interviewed by a reporter and they broadcast the interview and you said they were innocent, it would be problematic. You have the right to it of course, though..I don't want people to think I mean you shouldn't be allowed to say it.

I agree it is not surprising a neo nazi would cross that line.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
shouldn't it be up to municipal officials to forsee that allowing nazis to preach hate and eliminationist rhetoric will probably meet with some angry opposition? common sense and all?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yep, hence why I don't attend and have never attended such things. It literally achieves nothing meaningful.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I'm no lawyer, I don't know the exact reason there's a requirement for a permit. What I suggested was simply my best guess. But IMO you're absolutely right in saying that municiple officials should be able to anticipate this kind of thing... which means that they share blame for all the violence went down and the death of that girl.

i agree, they share some indirect responsibility in placing all those people in danger (bottom-feeding nazi scum included).
however there was only one person directly responsible for the murder, and one group responsible for a clear pattern of murders.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The thing is, generally at hate rallies like those, the words are used to fuel the actions. Otherwise all rallies are are massive mental masturbation sessions "Lets talk about how much we hate people who arn't even here. Ok? I hate Blacks/Latinos/Asians/Anyone different because (obvious opinionated racist bigotry based on subjective criteria)" "Yes, lets talk pointlessly about this subject very loudly"

It doesn't matter, it's still allowed as long as they keep what they say within the bounds of free speech(IE no active promotion of violence). By the same token, BLM rallies are allowed even though their words frequently fuel violent actions.

Some good news:

A web hosting company has pulled a neo-Nazi website after it posted a scathing article about the woman who was killed at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville.

GoDaddy, which has hosted the domain name for The Daily Stormer since the site was launched four years ago, announced on Sunday it had given the white supremacist site just 24 hours to move its domain to another provider.

"We informed The Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy said on its official Twitter page.

Someone has also set up a Twitter accounting naming and shaming supremacists who participated in the rally, one has already lost his job. 🙁

Each photograph plainly asks: "Do you know me? Are you my employer? I was at the Nazi Rally at Charlotte, VA".

A Twitter account dubbed "Yes, You're a racist", which has made a name for exposing white nationalists in the past, has also called for anyone who recognises the men in the photos to out them publicly on social media or send anonymous tips.

Hopefully more companies will follow suit, lets seem them rally when they're jobless hobos and social outcasts.

damn you ninja'd me. :'(

it's cool though, this is important news which bears repeating 👆

President Trump denouces and condemns the KKK, Nazis and white supremacists.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i agree, they share some indirect responsibility in placing all those people in danger (bottom-feeding nazi scum included).
however there was only one person directly responsible for the murder, and one group responsible for a clear pattern of murders.

Only one group that we KNOW have a clear pattern of murders. Don't forget, Anti and the like cover their faces. So just because we haven't busted any in Antifa garb doesn't mean they aren't harboring murderers among their ranks. After all, we do know that they say the opposition deserve to die/should be killed and there have been extreme cases of violence from the far left(like the guy shooting up the GOP softball practice).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Only one group that we KNOW have a clear pattern of murders. Don't forget, Anti and the like cover their faces. So just because we haven't busted any in Antifa garb doesn't mean they aren't harboring murderers among their ranks. After all, we do know that they say the opposition deserve to die/should be killed and there have been extreme cases of violence from the far left(like the guy shooting up the GOP softball practice).

masked or not, any murders committed at protests would have been reported. so the "known unknowns" argument is bunk.

Originally posted by Sable
I find it really odd you want to just spout out rhetoric then come down with finite answers, why not just say they murderers should be tried and executed. Instead you want to blame Trump and cast blame where ever you can. Antifa has hurt many people.

Its also very telling you forgot about the person that shot Steve Scalise. And that the person on the subway that killed two girls was a rabid Bernie Socialist/Fascist.

Trump is no more to be blamed for this psycho terrorist then Obama should be for any radical islamic terrorist.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Actually, it did. But deny it if you have to, mr. strawman filled with red herrings.

Remember, you brought up 2 unrelated events, then a false comparative? I didn't have to answer shit you said, but I deigned to give you a response that rerails the discussion back on track. It's not my fault you can't follow.

And then you threw a tantrum, refusing to answer a single thing.

Respond to my post directly instead of jacking around.

Originally posted by jaden101
Did Nazis in Germany gain power from nothing? Or did they start out as a bunch of insecure loudmouths in beer halls spouting bile.

when they were still just a paramilitary group/grass roots right wing movement, they weren't exactly being "ignored" by german society in the sense that surtur suggested; they were duking it out in the streets with communists.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
masked or not, any murders committed at protests would have been reported. so the "known unknowns" argument is bunk.

Interesting to see Surt's flip has come full circle, he is now blaming Antifa for being complicit in the murder committed by a Nazi, who acted alone and entirely of his own volition.

What a prick.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm in no way suggesting that they may have killed someone AT a protest. I'm addressing the comment that only 1 group has commited mass murders. With Antifa, we don't know because they hide their identities.

okay, but you're operating on pure assumption and its kinda baseless.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Some good news:As you can imagine, the article was full of evil rubbish.

Someone has also set up a Twitter accounting naming and shaming supremacists who participated in the rally, one has already lost his job. 🙁
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlottesville-anti-racism-vigilantes-white-supremacists-identify-facebook-social-media-neo-nazi-a7892206.html

Hopefully more companies will follow suit, lets seem them rally when they're jobless hobos and social outcasts.

Cole White, a protester pictured on the account, has since been sacked from his job at a restaurant in Berkeley, California. "Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog," currently reads a sign on the fast-food restaurant's door." -snip

I bet you could probably taste the racism in every hotdog he served. Good riddance.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
when you said "ignoring and appeasing nazis" i could only assume that you were referring to europe's early attitude towards the 3rd reich.

when they were still just a paramilitary group/grass roots right wing movement, they weren't exactly being "ignored" by german society in the sense that surtur suggested; they were duking it out in the streets with communists.

Originally posted by Sable
President Trump denouces and condemns the KKK, Nazis and white supremacists.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

Now tell me, was that hard?

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Now tell me, was that hard?

of course it was hard. trump just turned away and alienated half of his base.

Lol now Trump supporters are turning on him for his anti-racist statements. They are calling Trump a cuck lol