Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure anyone's claimed that "Antifa" can't be violent; let alone defended the mask wearing chaos causing types. But calling them the same as Neo Nazis is silly and sounds more like equalization tactics, tbh
I din't say they were the same, I said similar, but their preference for using force is the same. I mean if you truly want to engage in a pissing match, then yes, the neo nazis have killed people and Antifa has only heavily injured people to this point. You have to believe that they will start killing people if left unchecked though. Should we wait for that before taking action?
Again, their motivations are different, but at this point, both sides are quick to turn violence making them very similar. They both also refuse to accept any viewpoint outside of their own, and meeting these alternate viewpoints with violence. Also very similar.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Case investigation is not all the way done but from what we can see from the video, it was not a "both sides are to be blamed" in that specific case. He came out of no where fully planning on mowing over people in his car.
Exactly. Tell that to the "both sides are to blame for her death" ranters here.
Originally posted by socool8520
I din't say they were the same, I said similar, but their preference for using force is the same. I mean if you truly want to engage in a pissing match, then yes, the neo nazis have killed people and Antifa has only heavily injured people to this point. You have to believe that they will start killing people if left unchecked though. Should we wait for that before taking action?Again, their motivations are different, but at this point, both sides are quick to turn violence making them very similar. They both also refuse to accept any viewpoint outside of their own, and meeting these alternate viewpoints with violence. Also very similar.
Wait for what? When these mask wearers throw rocks and whatnot, they're criminals and when caught, they're charged with crimes. So not sure what you thinking some people are waiting for when no one is excusing their behavior (aside from themselves). That's just a silly strawman being used in here.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, if people are using it, they are copying me.I've been the "false-dichtomy"/"false-equivalence" guy for years. I call it out when I see it.
I do. I don't want people to beat the shit out of each other. I want them to love each other, eat pizza, smoke weed, play video games, and do science things.
Have you watched the Vice report from them interviewing Chris Cantwell and the guy from the daily stormer?
If so, tell me what "the left" can do to change that will stop the attitudes shown by them.
Originally posted by socool8520
Again, their motivations are different, but at this point, both sides are quick to turn violence making them very similar. They both also refuse to accept any viewpoint outside of their own, and meeting these alternate viewpoints with violence. Also very similar.
I disagree. From what I can tell, it is not "both sides are quick to turn violent", but it is the left that are more violent and instigating violence much more often.
When you can go to the social media profiles and see people organizing and coordinating "counter-protests" with comments that are definitely about showing up to be violent, no one should doubt at all why many of the "counter-protesters" are showing up and then violence happens.
I will say this: there are definitely legit liberals showing up to these, too: when the idiots start attacking, some of the other liberals scream "no violence!" or "nonviolence!" Which is great. I like those people. I want their messages to be heard and their ideas to rise to the top out of all this bullshit.
Originally posted by jaden101
Have you watched the Vice report from them interviewing Chris Cantwell and the guy from the daily stormer?If so, tell me what "the left" can do to change that will stop the attitudes shown by them.
No, I tend to not give attention to a very tiny minority that the extreme majority, from the right, very vocally oppose and are disgusted by.
It's definitely a strawman and people like them love the attention.
"ZOMG! Everyone from the right is represented by Chris Cantwell! See!!! They are the worst! Take to the streets, pillage, destroy, and be violent! BEST RESPONSE EVER!"
Originally posted by Robtard
These so called "Alt-Left" (unless they've started calling themselves this?) reportedly attack Nazis who are violent themselves. Is it right? No. But are they the same? Hardly.
Originally posted by darthgoober
...but as far as they're concerned pretty much everyone on the right is a Nazi and deserves to be attacked.
Right, no pun intended. This is the crux of the problem. If you voted for Trump, and you say you did, and any of those shitheads are around, prepare to receive a gang-style beat down.
Libtard logic: "Trump is sexist and racist and abusive towards women. Therefore, anyone who voted for trump is sexist and racist and abusive towards women. I know! Let's be abusive to people who voted for Trump! Perfect reaction! It makes absolute sense!"
Originally posted by Robtard
Wait for what? When these mask wearers throw rocks and whatnot, they're criminals and when caught, they're charged with crimes. So not sure what you thinking some people are waiting for when no one is excusing their behavior (aside from themselves). That's just a silly strawman being used in here.
Taking action is the wrong word. My fault. I meant before we speak about them the way we speak about the neo nazis.
Are you not downplaying their behavior by setting up your own moral equivalency albeit trying to call out other people for the same tactic? you did earlier with the bricks/car comparison.
Originally posted by darthgooberThat seems like a very broad paint stroke. I mean, is a Black man fighting against White Supremacist who believe he's a subhuman also part of this "Antifa" who condemns everyone on the Right?
Yeah but they just attack true Nazis. They rather call anyone on the right who disagrees with them Nazis and use the lable as justification for all their attacks. That's not to say that they didn't/haven't attacked actual Nazis too, but as far as they're concerned pretty much everyone on the right is a Nazi and deserves to be attacked.
Originally posted by Robtard
That seems like a very broad paint stroke. I mean, is a Black man fighting against White Supremacist who believe he's a subhuman also part of this "Antifa" who condemns everyone on the Right?
i'm starting to think that anyone who stands their ground against nazis and defends themselves is "antifa"
Originally posted by Robtard
Nazis/KKK/Alt-Right and garden variety White Supremacist do have the right to preach their views, we have freedoms and we take the good with the bad.But people also have the right to preach against those hateful views and no amount of "if only the anti-hate protestors stayed home nothing bad would have happened" rants, as some weird way to blame the violence and death on everyone except the hate mongering White Supremacist will change that. Freedom of speech works both ways.
Of note: Why aren't those same people applying that "just stay home" logic to the Nazis as well? Weird
I really wish people would just GO to these "counter-protests." The Media is not really covering what is going on. It is being "white-washed", again, no pun intended. I think many would change their mind. And would stop drinking the Koolaid.
People...need to get out of these boxes. These protests have people from all over the place. But many of the "counter protesters" are not there to be honest and morally upright people. The good messages are being drowned out from liberals.
Liberals = good
Libtards = bad
That's my opinion.
Originally posted by Robtard
That seems like a very broad paint stroke. I mean, is a Black man fighting against White Supremacist who believe he's a subhuman also part of this "Antifa" who condemns everyone on the Right?
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I tend to not give attention to a very tiny minority that the extreme majority, from the right, very vocally oppose and are disgusted by.It's definitely a strawman and people like them love the attention.
"ZOMG! Everyone from the right is represented by Chris Cantwell! See!!! They are the worst! Take to the streets, pillage, destroy, and be violent! BEST RESPONSE EVER!"
U OK hun?
Fummin' babes.
Have a watch anyway.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Personally I don't push the whole "just stay home" thing. What I say is "Use words, not violence". If Antifa limited themselves to using words no one could call them terrorists even if their personal views are stupid. And if they actually used logic rathe than just shout over everyone who disagrees and call them names then all the better...
Which is great and in the scheme of things I agree, shout it out, just don't get violent. But again, why is it always the "Antifa" are the violent attackers when this country literally has a history of violence from White Supremacist?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. From what I can tell, it is not "both sides are quick to turn violent", but it is the left that are more violent and instigating violence much more often.When you can go to the social media profiles and see people organizing and coordinating "counter-protests" with comments that are definitely about showing up to be violent, no one should doubt at all why many of the "counter-protesters" are showing up and then violence happens.
I will say this: there are definitely legit liberals showing up to these, too: when the idiots start attacking, some of the other liberals scream "no violence!" or "nonviolence!" Which is great. I like those people. I want their messages to be heard and their ideas to rise to the top out of all this bullshit.
Well, historically, The Neo Nazis have been quick to hurt people from my understanding and I guy did run a bunch of people over with a car. My point is both of these extremists are this country and should be looked at with fairly equal disdain. Instead, all I see is "no that side sucks more" and it is truly disheartening.