Originally posted by PsychotronIt takes time to summon the chi and even then it's hard to tell if he's going to be able to land a solid hit or if that would be enough.
He'd fight to his full capacity in a forum fight. There's no reason for him to not use his strongest attack, especially if he's fighting a superhuman.
Originally posted by Surtur
What about starting off with a ground pound?
And do what? Cap would regain his balance instantly (like when QS flung him into the air) and IF would lose his one best attack and would need to recharge.
Better question is: what if Cap starts with a shield throw? That would KO IF or at least daze him enough for the finish.
Cap can take an IF better than anyone who's gotten hit save Cage. I don't even see 2-3 knocking him out, as Elektra shrugged them off as well as Luke and Gao. They only took a few seconds to recover.
On the other hand, as it's been pointed out, Cap is easily in Jones/Cage strength range as well as durability. But on top of that he's far faster, more agile, and skilled than most people Danny's fought. That combo will be too much for him imo.
Originally posted by KingD19
Cap can take an IF better than anyone who's gotten hit save Cage. I don't even see 2-3 knocking him out, as Elektra shrugged them off as well as Luke and Gao. They only took a few seconds to recover.On the other hand, as it's been pointed out, Cap is easily in Jones/Cage strength range as well as durability. But on top of that he's far faster, more agile, and skilled than most people Danny's fought. That combo will be too much for him imo.
I don't recall Gao or Elektra taking a full direct hit of chi fist.
Originally posted by FrothByte
A single IF from Danny can take Cap out if landed directly. But... a single hit from Cap can also take out Danny if landed properly, or at least knock him down and hurt him. It's going to be very hard for Danny to land that IF when Cap is hitting him with superhuman strength and being skilled and fast enough to keep up with him. It would be like fighting a Daredevil enhanced with Jessica Jones' strength. Danny won't be able to take more than a few hits from Cap whereas Cap can tank pretty much everything Danny throws at him other than the IF.In the end I have to give Cap the win, maybe 7/10. Danny winning 3/10 by lucky shot of his IF. And that's only h2h. Give Cap the shield and I'll go 10/10 in favor of Cap.
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100% agree with everything you said...
Originally posted by KingD19
Cap can take an IF better than anyone who's gotten hit save Cage. I don't even see 2-3 knocking him out, as Elektra shrugged them off as well as Luke and Gao. They only took a few seconds to recover.On the other hand, as it's been pointed out, Cap is easily in Jones/Cage strength range as well as durability. But on top of that he's far faster, more agile, and skilled than most people Danny's fought. That combo will be too much for him imo.
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Well said...
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall Gao or Elektra taking a full direct hit of chi fist.
Danny hit Elektra the first episode and launched her through that door. She was gone before he got there. He hit her again in the group fight and she was back up before she was even on the ground that long.
Gao took a hit as well when they were fighting the Fingers iirc, or during another fight. I'll have to look around to recall.
Also Cap has taken hits from Spidey, Iron-Man, Loki, Ultron, Quicksilver, etc... A single fist of the caliber we saw in Defenders will piss him off, but definitely won't put him down.
Originally posted by KingD19
Danny hit Elektra the first episode and launched her through that door. She was gone before he got there. He hit her again in the group fight and she was back up before she was even on the ground that long.Gao took a hit as well when they were fighting the Fingers iirc, or during another fight. I'll have to look around to recall.
Also Cap has taken hits from Spidey, Iron-Man, Loki, Ultron, Quicksilver, etc... A single fist of the caliber we saw in Defenders will piss him off, but definitely won't put him down.
That wasn't a direct hit though. His fist stopped just before it hit her but the force was still enough to launch her backwards. Same thing happened in their group fight as well as with Gao. He was basically hitting air but the force was enough to launch them back.
Ironman, Ultron, Loki and Spiderman are not strong enough to destroy an entire floor with a single punch.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall Gao or Elektra taking a full direct hit of chi fist.
Gao tried to block a chi fist with one of her own amped palm strikes during one of the final fights, and was sent flying back, along with her underlings. Elektra took one directly to the gut during the fight where she got Danny to open the door the Hand were trying to pass, during the second last episode. Was actually a similar scenario to the first time he hit Luke, except he hit her in the stomach instead of the jaw.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
In character Danny never punched anyone with that force, even Luke. Why would he here?
Well, the second one he hit Luke with was close. The force of the blow created a shock wave that sent everyone off their feat and spread across the entire room they were in, which was pretty large.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Gao tried to block a chi fist with one of her own amped palm strikes during one of the final fights, and was sent flying back, along with her underlings. Elektra took one directly to the gut during the fight where she got Danny to open the door the Hand were trying to pass, during the second last episode. Was actually a similar scenario to the first time he hit Luke, except he hit her in the stomach instead of the jaw.
Elektra was bullshit pis. She got knocked back just from being near the fist when he shattered her sword, yet shurgs off a direct fist to the body.
That's some nice WWE style no-selling right there.