Iron Fist vs Captain America

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It looks like cdtm is just trolling, so I guess this has been pretty much settled.

Trolling? 😕

No, I'm seriously frustrated with the "shield > all" logic that's been following Cap in every media incarnation, while Iron Fist often has the "they'll just dodge it" arguments.

The shield argument, especially. There's so many ways to defeat an indestructible shield.. But comic character ususally attack it like idiots, while Cap calmly stands behind it.

Arguing it plays out like that in a board fight, is like saying because Superman doesn't use often use super speed against Batman, he won't here. Or that Flash won't just blitz Snart.

Board match's are supposed to.play out differently then that.

Forget Cap for a minute, and forget movies, lets use a classic Spidey vs Danny fight.

Common argument: Peter neatly dodges every IF, combo to KO.

My argument: If this is Street Fighter, Danny has the Shoruken. Spidey isn't so much faster he can dodge a point blank IF. Spidey throws a punch, Danny throws a punch, they collide, Danny should win.

Spidey attacks in any way physically, he's open to an IF.

Danny chases Peter and swings and keeps missing, he'll of course lose.

I don't believe this makes sense for a top tier MA, even if in every fight this is what happened in comic.

Yup. Trolling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I did and he's definitely as strong.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ok, best strength showing by Danny.

Go.

Let me start with an easy one: Motorcycle lift nonchalantly (CA:FA): estimated at 1100 lbs overhead. Done with zero strain.

https://youtu.be/7i574Em3IrI

(2:15)

Your turn.

Strength is irrelevant here. These two are not going to grapple. If can possibly one shot Cap if he wanted to. Don't tell him Danny can't land a blow on Cap.

Strength is irrelevant? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you understand how fast Cap is in combat? He literally overloaded Ironman in a fight and had to have the computer fight for him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Strength is irrelevant here. These two are not going to grapple. If can possibly one shot Cap if he wanted to. Don't tell him Danny can't land a blow on Cap.

You understand that this is in response to cdtm's argument that Danny will grapple Cap, right?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You understand that this is in response to cdtm's argument that Danny will grapple Cap, right?

Carry on then.

Originally posted by Sable
Strength is irrelevant? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you understand how fast Cap is in combat? He literally overloaded Ironman in a fight and had to have the computer fight for him.

PIS.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yup. Trolling.

Yes, you are. Poorly.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Breaking it down Cap has better stats, has a means to neutralize IF's trump card, has better offense and defense, better consistent technique (due to superior choreography), higher versatility (grappling showings, ranged attack) has one shot potential with a better means of delivery, has more oneshot threats (4 limbs + shield vs one IF that requires recharge if it hits the shield) AND can rebound his opponents trump card (via shield) back to his face on a succesful (highly likely) block.

So how is this a fight again?

Ah, here it is. What a well reasoned, totally non biased argument.

Totally trolling.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ah, here it is. What a well reasoned, totally non biased argument.

Totally trolling.

Post rebuttal. Post "feats".

Better yet: I challenge you to a BZ.

Defenders TV series Iron Fist vs MCU Captain America.

Put up or shut up, troll boy.

This thread should not have reached page 5.

Just got done with episode 2 (I think) where Danny chi punches Luke.

Unless Danny improves 10-fold, Danny puts up a Batroc fight at best. Cap is head and shoulders above IF.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Just got done with episode 2 (I think) where Danny chi punches Luke.

Unless Danny improves 10-fold, Danny puts up a Batroc fight at best. Cap is head and shoulders above IF.

Like Cap is anywhere as durable as Luke Cage. 😆

Call me when Cap tanks machinegun fire without his shield or body armor.

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Cap is anywhere as durable as Luke Cage. 😆

Call me when Cap tanks machinegun fire without his shield or body armor.

And a building collapsing on him, and being submerged in acid, and being hit by a garbage truck etc

Not to mention Danny's chi which would crush metal doors/destroy an entire floor of A building with its shockwave.

IF is skilled enough to contend with Cap for a little while. If IF doesn't employ the IF from the get go then he loses. If IF starts with the IF and intends on not holding back then he has a good chance.

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Cap is anywhere as durable as Luke Cage. 😆

Call me when Cap tanks machinegun fire without his shield or body armor.

My bad, I wasn't clear on that. I was just using the feat of Danny punching Luke as a reference point to show where I'm at in Defenders Season 1.

What I meant was this: the collective feats for Danny from IF Season 1 and what I've seen thus far in Defenders, Cap is far above Danny. Far far far above Danny. Danny's capabilities and fighting skills, thus far, have been lackluster, and he's had some trouble with standards goons, though it seems like that changes by the time Defenders is over. Cap has every advantage possible besides a nuclear fist power.

Yes, if Cap just stands there and lets Danny chi punch him or gets shot or tries to tank a rpg, of course he gets incapacitated, if not killed.

His kung-fu skills looked fine to me.

I think you're making the same mistake fans and George Lucas himself made with comparing the Obi-Wan/Vader and Luke/Vader saber duels to the prequels, where they call the former an "Old man vs a cripple/cripple vs a kid."

The fact is, original trilogy duels had solid technique, solid stances, and the prequels only look better because style over substance.

Originally posted by cdtm
His kung-fu skills looked fine to me.

I think you're making the same mistake fans and George Lucas himself made with comparing the Obi-Wan/Vader and Luke/Vader saber duels to the prequels, where they call the former an "Old man vs a cripple/cripple vs a kid."

The fact is, original trilogy duels had solid technique, solid stances, and the prequels only look better because style over substance.

Because in IF while his technique and stance were fine, his choreography was SO SLOW and his hits lacked weight behind it, the jump cuts and inconsistent writing of his abilities didn't help.