Orion Vs Thor (Current)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

I mean, it's touted as being this all powerful weapon,able to slay Celestials.

And I'm not disagreeing, it is indeed a super powerful weapon.

But on average, let's not pretend it's Celestial level, especially given it's enchantment.

Average is a ridiculous way of measuring things like these.

Galactus suddenly being dropped by Squirrel Girl doesn't drop his capabilities to an average of galaxy busting and street level.

Jarnbjorn can cut Celestials, Thor and Gorr.

Power Man is an absurd outlier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Unworthy Thor has far fewer appearances to choose from, which magnifies the importance or weight of any low showings he has.

Sure, Orion had low showings in WW. But it's evened out when you start chucking all his other showings in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Orion's lows are being thrashed by First Born,someone who was fighting GoW WW.

Thor's lows are.....Power Man and Ulik.

We take averages,no?

Orion's highs are taking attacks from solar system level attacks. Thor's highs are as you say.

Average two numbers out for me please. 100and 10. The other guy's average is between 90 and 50.

That's why.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Average is a ridiculous way of measuring things like these.

Galactus suddenly being dropped by Squirrel Girl doesn't drop his capabilities to an average of galaxy busting and street level.

Jarnbjorn can cut Celestials, Thor and Gorr.

Power Man is an absurd outlier.

This

I'm using Carver logic, guys. He's the one always bleating on about averages.
Jeez....

Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor didn't lose to Power Man though, he just coulnd't cut him with the axe.

Doesn't really reflect poorly on his capabilities as it relies sorely on the axe. It can slay celestials and beyonders, but not Power Man.

Axe is celestial kryptonite. Doesn't operate at uber levels against everything as it would against celestials.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Axe is celestial kryptonite. Doesn't operate at uber levels against everything as it would against celestials.

Iirc he cut the Destroyer as well...and it doesnt explain the beyonders

Tbf, nothing explains the Beyonders lol.

Three can take out the LT, but Thor can cut them all up?

Then there's the interview, which specifically name drops kryptonite lol.

It's sharp no doubt. But it also didn't do super much damage to Apoc in Axis (should have split him in half as he wears celestial armour). I do not believe you can just go by high showings and should go by averages or close if possible

Beyonders were a mess powerwise. Have some super highs and some super low lows

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, nothing explains the Beyonders lol.

Three can take out the LT, but Thor can cut them all up?

Then there's the interview, which specifically name drops kryptonite lol.

True. Valid point...thought u went full retard for a second there. Glad to have u back.

Originally posted by -K-M-
It's sharp no doubt. But it also didn't do super much damage to Apoc in Axis (should have split him in half as he wears celestial armour). I do not believe you can just go by high showings and should go by averages or close if possible

Beyonders were a mess powerwise. Have some super highs and some super low lows

Cant remember that axis fight.

S/n fumny how Apoc keeps showing up in Thor books and not Xmen

Originally posted by -K-M-
Axe is celestial kryptonite. Doesn't operate at uber levels against everything as it would against celestials.

That seems to be the gist of it.

But it's sharp enough to chop off Thor's arm and harm Gorr though.

Thor probably wasn't chopping Apocalypse with everything. Seems like he wanted him to suffer. The cut that he did during their first encounter almost split Apocalypse in half. The ax treats Celestials like fodder, it cutting through Beyonders tells us how powerful it is. What low showings besides that PM showing is low for the ax?

Wasn't really that low. Power Man 2.0 was channeling the cho of nyc. The axe never really touched him I thing. He was projecting the chi as some kind of shield.

Edit.
Actually it may have touched him.. He had learned to amp his power by not only absorbing chi from his nearby surroundings, but from the city itself. At least that's how they portrayed it during his training.

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besides, 1 showing doesn't really mean much. the axe is plenty sharp to totally phukc orion up in this match.

Those beyonders were also the same ones who took out tribunal. I have no idea why the art changed so much like that, but the issie before that showed them in their previous forms iirc.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Average is a ridiculous way of measuring things like these.

Galactus suddenly being dropped by Squirrel Girl doesn't drop his capabilities to an average of galaxy busting and street level.

Jarnbjorn can cut Celestials, Thor and Gorr.

Power Man is an absurd outlier.

You are 100% right.

Also, we should just discard outliers, like Thor doing anything to Beyonders.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Those beyonders were also the same ones who took out tribunal. I have no idea why the art changed so much like that, but the issie before that showed them in their previous forms iirc.

Yep and not only did Thor withstand attacks from them, he blocked a full swing from one.

Not only did he damage one, he withstood a blast from one as well and this Beyonder was trying to kill him and Hyperion...

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He didn't have a scratch after this attack.

Odinson worst low is getting beaten up by Collector's thugs. Whole army of them, but they're supposed to be fodder. Pretty crappy showing when u see it on paper though. Lol.

They killed abstracts using the same attack...

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