Captain America vs. Defenders
Cap is convinced the Defenders are Hydra super soldiers. The Defenders are convinced Cap is a Hand operative.
Cap takes on the entire team together in an open arena. All opponents are acting in character though they are convinced that they need to take out their opponent/s.
Round 1: Standard gear for everyone.
Round 2: No weapons for everyone. Danny can still use his IF.
Round 3: No weapons for everyone, no IF for Danny.
Defenders win.
And Cage was never KO'd "a few times". Only time he was KO'd was when he was drugged up. All Elektra did at other points was toss him around a bit. The guy took a direct impact from a speeding garbage truck, yet still managed to subdue Sowande and make it to Colleen's dojo in only slightly more time than the other Defenders did, who went directly there.
1. Cap 10/10
2. Defenders 6-7/10
3. Cap 6/10 or split.
The only true threat is Cage. Skill speed and power gap too much individually (depending on the individual) and they are not too good at fighting as a team, oftentimes getting in each other's way. Were they more coordinated, I would give them the win. But from what I saw throughout the Defenders series, Cap has too many advantages and fights too smart (that would exploit their clumsy "teamwork"😉 and has a huge movement speed advantage that pretty much gives him the initiative.
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I can see Cap controlling range by keeping his distance to separate the faster ones and taking them out quickly. Before closing in and uses his superior speed to simply controls his engagements vs JJ and Cage. Taking them out one at a time.
The IF actually becomes a threat to the team when Cap has the shield as he will be able to rebound the IF back into their faces, stunning everyone save Cage long enough for him to KO everyone cept Cage. The shield also allows him a ranged attack to soften them up or outright stun/injure them. It is also his best bet at hurting Cage.
Without the shield, the IF becomes a much bigger advantage for the team as they now no longer risk the chance of getting it rebounded back. Although I can see Cap doing the Black Sky thing of grabbing Danny's wrist (and then maybe ramming his fist into Cage's face).
When were they getting in each other's way? If anything, I recall multiple instances where there was teamwork, like when Danny and Matt took down Murakami the first time, Jess and Luke were fighting Gao, Danny and Luke were fighting the guys with guns inside the boardroom, to name a few examples. Granted, we don't really see any 4-way team combos, but there were plenty of double-team instances.
Also, Black Sky never actually beat the team 4-on-1. She held her own against them a few times, but she was actually getting knocked around and floored multiple times during the final battle, being put on the ground long enough so that 3 out of the 4 could evacuate. The closest she came to beating them was the episode where she killed Stick. But both Danny and Luke were drugged, and Matt had none of his gear, and was trying to get through to her.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
When were they getting in each other's way? If anything, I recall multiple instances where there was teamwork, like when Danny and Matt took down Murakami the first time, Jess and Luke were fighting Gao, Danny and Luke were fighting the guys with guns inside the boardroom, to name a few examples. Granted, we don't really see any 4-way team combos, but there were plenty of double-team instances.Also, Black Sky never actually beat the team 4-on-1. She held her own against them a few times, but she was actually getting knocked around and floored multiple times during the final battle, being put on the ground long enough so that 3 out of the 4 could evacuate. The closest she came to beating them was the episode where she killed Stick. But both Danny and Luke were drugged, and Matt had none of his gear, and was trying to get through to her.
Um, didn't she KO 3 of them and take the 4th?
Originally posted by Psychotron
Um, didn't she KO 3 of them and take the 4th?
Luke was under the influence of Stick's incense. Danny also lost consciousness when the incense reached him (and remained unconscious all the way back to Midland Circle), and was tied up to boot. Matt had zero gear, and wasn't even really trying to fight her, and was in shock after what she did to Stick. The only Defender who was not handicapped during that scene in some way was Jessica.
Originally posted by Sable
Why are you trolling Cap threads?
Cap struggled with the inferior Batroc. Matt is >>>>> him in skill, soaks up damage like a sponge, is quicker/more agile. And he can detect the shield tosses with his radar sense.
Since Cap loses the h2h and can't shield toss, I don't see how Cap can win.
lol at Matt beating Cap. I am a big Daredevil fan, and consider Netflix Matt to be one of the best un-enhanced human fighters in the MCU. But, even with his Defenders feats, he has absolutely no hope of beating Cap. At best, he'll make more of a nuisance of himself than Batroc managed to do (and I can see him potentially doing so, based on his first fight against Elektra), but he sure as shit isn't winning.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Cap 10/10
2. Defenders 6-7/10
3. Cap 6/10 or split.The only true threat is Cage. Skill speed and power gap too much individually (depending on the individual) and they are not too good at fighting as a team, oftentimes getting in each other's way. Were they more coordinated, I would give them the win. But from what I saw throughout the Defenders series, Cap has too many advantages and fights too smart (that would exploit their clumsy "teamwork"😉 and has a huge movement speed advantage that pretty much gives him the initiative.
Cap is not beating Luke Cage. He can barely hurt him.
Luke can seriously hurt Cap, especially if he grabs him.
If Danny is using the IF without holding back then Cap has no way to win. He can't defend against both Luke and the IF simultaneously.