Emperor Joker vs Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again youve several wrong concepts which i hope i can explain to you!

1st. You NEED to understand the concept of CONTINUITY! It seems like youve tangled ALL comics and think that THE MATERIAL and INFO in these are VALID in THESE THREADS.

Thats an error. When you bring evidence to general threads you have to bring CONTINUITY MATERIAL. The LT that got killed by that Reed ans you yourself claimed is an ALTERNATE one, not a CONTINUITY one! In fact i was Unaware of that comic (where reed killed LT), I personally try to avoid non-canon comics cause they are really IRRELEVANT to discussions.

I would advice you to ignore non-canon comics cause they really are based off continuity and the authors tend to do whatever they wish! And sometimes they even seem to ignore character feats and do stupid endings. Reed shouldve NEVER been able to kill LT!! But again it is understandable since its a non canon comic...it isnt in contiinuity with 616 universe!

2: LT Omnipresence: Ive seen your replies and i notice you havenissues with this.

The LT is omnipresence, and this is one of the things that makes him most difficult to understand. These means he is everywhere at the same time. Now you miht get confused and think that these means that Continuity and non-canon comics are the SAME tribunal, but it isnt.

For instance, Starlin's Infinity finale LT isnt the same as the Continuity LT.

So although LT is omnipresemt that doesnt mean that LT is the same over all the comics.

3. LT is SECOND to TOAA in the Cosmic Hierchy of Marvel:

Idk how DC Universe Hierchy is, but in Marvel you SHOULD know LT is on top of the Cosmic Hierchy just bellow TOAA, again at a Multiversal scale.

Again there have been beings that have defeated the LT from thier universes BUT they are still below LT because their power doesnt surpass other Universes.

LT on the other hand, can affect Multiple realities and universes.

E.G. Korvac defeated his universes LT, but he got sealed in his own universe by the LT! The LT is stillmABOVE korvac at a multiversal scale, since LT can still work outside universes, where Korvac is limitted to his UNIVERSE.

The only time a Being was able to OVERWHELM the LT authority was in Time Runs Out, when the Ivory Kings killed the ALL Realities LT.

Conclusion: This thread isnt concerned with non-continuity material. Any events that happen in alternate universes dont concern this thread, for when you say LT vs EJ you are refering to the CONTINUITY LT and not Alternate ones. Should the OP have stated Alternate LT of random comic, then the material of such Alternate comic is valid.

I hope this is of help for you. Understanding LT is a hard thing. LT is one of my favorite Characters because he is such a complex being. Dont worry its easy to make mistakes when understanding LT, even I used to make them.

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Learn how to type and come back. This is straight up unreadable.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO STILL DOUBT LT POSITION ON THE COSMIC HIERCHY:

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Its an old scan, and the letters are blurry.

If you read carefully it is specifically stated that LT is at the end of the cosmic scale.

LT IS second in the Cosmic Hierchy. And that hasnt changed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Learn how to type and come back. This is straight up unreadable.
So same as Spectre? And you're aware that's written by Starlin who considers LT as universal only.

If you cant read that then its no wonder why you are so disinformed!!

That scan was to prove you that LT is 2nd on the Power Hierchy.

Lol No. Starlin is wrong. LT is.multiversal.

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"No you" is such a wonderful retort.

So the writer who wrote the comic is wrong and you're right? There goes any resemblance of logic you had.

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abhi you're a crazy mother******* to continue to try and have any sort of reasonable discussion with him. i'm begging you, let this abortion of a thread die.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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"No you" is such a wonderful retort.

So the writer who wrote the comic is wrong and you're right? There goes any resemblance of logic you had.

The writer's material is irrelevant if his comic isnt in continuity!

Evidently you dont know how comics work, i wonder why you even reply to a thread in where you dont have knowledge on one of the contestants.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The writer's material is irrelevant if his comic isnt in continuity!

Evidently you dont know how comics work, i wonder why you even reply to a thread in where you dont have knowledge on one of the contestants.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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"No you" is such a wonderful retort.

So the writer who wrote the comic is wrong and you're right? There goes any resemblance of logic you had.

Starlin is not Marvel. Starlin has not written the majority of LT appearances. He has only written him more than any single writer, but the combined writings are more than his. So in most instances, LT is multiversal. His most recent appearance is multiversal. His official bios have him as multiversal. So if he writes him as universal, he is writing him wrong. This has been explained to you and you respond with "duuuhhhhhh, Starlin says...".

Stalin's LT is not the established multiversal LT. Thus, it is a universal manifestation that is far weaker. And MC2 is PIS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was already warping reality and there was nothing to show that she was any more powerful later.
Mxy is just that powerful. This is pathetic that LT needed all his power and several other cosmics to kill an alternate Galactus and got beaten by Reed Richards.

Reed>>>Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Starlin is not Marvel. Starlin has not written the majority of LT appearances. He has only written him more than any single writer, but the combined writings are more than his. So in most instances, LT is multiversal. His most recent appearance is multiversal. His official bios have him as multiversal. So if he writes him as universal, he is writing him wrong. This has been explained to you and you respond with "duuuhhhhhh, Starlin says...".

Stalin's LT is not the established multiversal LT. Thus, it is a universal manifestation that is far weaker. And MC2 is PIS.

Idk who brainwashed him, but he has several aspects wrong!

Actually LT is Multiversal, but since he is omnipresent he is in every reality and universe, but is the same individual.

Unexperience readers take it as If LT is universal because of that...Abhi wont understand such concepts it seems.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhi tries to twist things around.

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Originally posted by Zack M
Reed>>>Living Tribunal.

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Originally posted by Zack M
Reed>>>Living Tribunal.

Ewww.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Idk who brainwashed him, but he has several aspects wrong!

Actually LT is Multiversal, but since he is omnipresent he is in every reality and universe, but is the same individual.

Unexperience readers take it as If LT is universal because of that...Abhi wont understand such concepts it seems.

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Abhi won't follow what you're saying because he is thinking concretely while you are thinking abstractly. Your premise makes sense based on the nature of the character.

Originally posted by leonidas
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abhi you're a crazy mother******* to continue to try and have any sort of reasonable discussion with him. i'm begging you, let this abortion of a thread die.

This is actually quite nice. I'm interested in seeing who gives up last word.

[QUOTE=16331047]Originally posted by TheHulkster
Abhi won't follow what you're saying because he is thinking concretely while you are thinking abstractly. Your premise makes sense based on the nature of the character. [/QUOTE

He takes thinks literal! He doesnt read between the lines!

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm curious about what kind of excuse you can come up for LT losing to Reed Richards.

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Originally posted by leonidas
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abhi you're a crazy mother******* to continue to try and have any sort of reasonable discussion with him. i'm begging you, let this abortion of a thread die.

I'm having such a good time though.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The writer's material is irrelevant if his comic isnt in continuity!

Evidently you dont know how comics work, i wonder why you even reply to a thread in where you dont have knowledge on one of the contestants.

Easy task for someone like you I presume.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Starlin is not Marvel. Starlin has not written the majority of LT appearances. He has only written him more than any single writer, but the combined writings are more than his. So in most instances, LT is multiversal. His most recent appearance is multiversal. His official bios have him as multiversal. So if he writes him as universal, he is writing him wrong. This has been explained to you and you respond with "duuuhhhhhh, Starlin says...".

Stalin's LT is not the established multiversal LT. Thus, it is a universal manifestation that is far weaker. And MC2 is PIS.

I'm still waiting on the proofs of everything else being a universal manifestation though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Let‘s start with the FACT that LT and Reed NEVER confronted each other or even saw each other. Also Reed didnt attack LT and LT didnt (and never has) even registered Reed‘s existence. Furthermore, it was the combination of LT‘s power PLUS the power of six Cosmics in addition to Reed‘s canon, that caused the feedback that lead to them getting bfr‘d into other universes. Reed shot his canon at the concentration of MERGED powers/energies, not at the LT directly. So yea, LT himself PLUS 6 Cosmics, PLUS Reed‘s canon > LT. You know this, so Im wasting my time again. Im posting for the innocent onlookers that may be swayed by calculated bull shit. So wuts your excuse for Mxy getting depowered by Annatez, fooled and depowered by Joker, and owned by Prime? See, we can both play the Cis/Pis game. This shit aint real son, there's nothing absolutely linear here, realize that already. LOL, Mxy was stalemated by the Impossible Man, and its canon! (excuses)? --- 😂

When I give any excuses about that, do let me know. And it's Emperor Joker here, not mxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Starlin has written pretty much every major LT appearance and he is always universal there. One scene from Hickman doesn't changes that.

I'm still waiting on the proofs of everything else being a universal manifestation though.
So in short, Reed's cannon >>>>LT. Good.

When I give any excuses about that, do let me know. And it's Emperor Joker here, not mxy.

Starlin has not written even most of LT's major appearances. He has written more than any single writer, but less than all. That's how Ewing wrote him as well as Hickman. That's how every writer has written him but Starlin.

If Reed Richards beat LT, then Superman curb stomped EJ.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Starlin has not written even most of LT's major appearances. He has written more than any single writer, but less than all. That's how Ewing wrote him as well as Hickman. That's how every writer has written him but Starlin.

Hickman wrote only one appearance and Ewing two.

Starlin was the first writer to show LT as the top of cosmic hierarchy. He just showed it was only universal.

Ewing had Chaos and Order kill LT FFS.

If Reed Richards beat LT, then Superman curb stomped EJ.

He lost to his own self imposed limitations.