Emperor Joker vs Living Tribunal

Started by TheHulkster16 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why wouldn't they call her above LT if he has no implications or feats that put her below him?

LT got shitstomped by an alternate Reed Richards and was in fear of an alternate Galactus.

Because they have common sense.

So no comparison between both? Good to know.

I can bring up better feats from DC characters as well who are below mxy . ZH Parallax wiped out entire creation and was creating his own multiverse and Spectre was able to contend with him. Spectre has himself remade entire creation.

Spectre has been beaten by wizards. TOAA has no feats. That's where basic common sense comes in. Nix Uotan Would get crushed by HoM Wanda based on your logic. And then there are those things that you ignore:

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Lucifer and Michael are the power of God. LT isn't on that level.

By which feat would he stop anti Monitor?

Living Tribunal was created to represent the interests and keep order on the creation of TOAA.

Living Tribunal is second to TOAA, just like the M and L are second to the Presence.

LT=Michael and Lucifer.

Originally posted by abhilegend

By which feat would he stop anti Monitor?

The Feats of being the Keeper of Cosmic Balance. The Antimonitor breaking balance gives the LT any means to cast Judgement (He is omnipotent).

He could seal the Antimonitor in a Pocket Dimension, or erase him from existance, or simply force him to return to his duties.

The Living Tribunal stands 2nd to TOAA at a Multiversal Scale.

Just like Michael and Lucifer stand second to the Presence at a Multiversal Scale.

Any being that falls under a Multiversal category WILL BE bellow the Tribunal or Michael&Lucifer. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Spectre has been beaten by wizards. TOAA has no feats. That's where basic common sense comes in. Nix Uotan Would get crushed by HoM Wanda based on your logic. And then there are those things that you ignore:

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1230902-bro25we9.jpg
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HOM Wanda was also beaten by Dr Strange.

LT does not gets her feats because "common sense".

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Living Tribunal was created to represent the interests and keep order on the creation of TOAA.

Living Tribunal is second to TOAA, just like the M and L are second to the Presence.

LT=Michael and Lucifer.


That's never shown. As of now he is an inner part of Eternity and not second to TOAA.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Feats of being the Keeper of Cosmic Balance. The Antimonitor breaking balance gives the LT any means to cast Judgement (He is omnipotent).

He could seal the Antimonitor in a Pocket Dimension, or erase him from existance, or simply force him to return to his duties.


That's not a feat. You're just randomly making shit up.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Living Tribunal stands 2nd to TOAA at a Multiversal Scale.

Just like Michael and Lucifer stand second to the Presence at a Multiversal Scale.

Any being that falls under a Multiversal category WILL BE bellow the Tribunal or Michael&Lucifer. It's as simple as that.


Could you show us where that is shown? If LT is second to TOAA only, how did Adam Warlock gain power comparable to him by absorbing the power of a single universe?

TOAA is weak as shit then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
HOM Wanda was also beaten by Dr Strange.

LT does not gets her feats because "common sense".

HoM Wanda is never defeated by Strange nor anyone else.

No one said he gets her feats. He is above her in power.

Originally posted by Zack M
AM would have erased LT out of existence.
Nah, Supergirl beat his ass. Lt would snuff AM out of existence.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Spectre has been beaten by wizards. TOAA has no feats. That's where basic common sense comes in. Nix Uotan Would get crushed by HoM Wanda based on your logic. And then there are those things that you ignore:

https://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/19/00/38/35/untitl15.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1230902-bro25we9.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/85344/1782808-lt2cm.jpg

Abhi logic. It's so easy to use against him.

Gandalf>Spectre.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
HoM Wanda is never defeated by Strange nor anyone else.

No one said he gets her feats. He is above her in power.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's never shown. As of now he is an inner part of Eternity and not second to TOAA.
That's not a feat. You're just randomly making shit up.

Could you show us where that is shown? If LT is second to TOAA only, how did Adam Warlock gain power comparable to him by absorbing the power of a single universe?

TOAA is weak as shit then.

Lol hen go and read he comics!!! Both DC fans should know that Michael and Lucifer are second to the Presence in the Multiverse.

Just like Marvel fans know that LT is second to TOAA in the Marvel Multiverse.

Lol. Then you havent read abput the LT my friend. Which makes you weak in this thread.

Anyone can reach the power of he LT at a universal scale. However the Tribunal is always mkre powerful than anyone at a Multiversal scale!!! Thats how the Cosmic Hierchy is, go research if you dont believe me.

Lol! LT ISNT A FUNCTION OF ETERNITY! Where did you got that? Lol. Otherwise, eternity responds to LT!

Originally posted by TheHulkster
HoM Wanda is never defeated by Strange nor anyone else.

No one said he gets her feats. He is above her in power.


Yes, she was. Read Avengers 503.

Where is that shown or suggested?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol hen go and read he comics!!! Both DC fans should know that Michael and Lucifer are second to the Presence in the Multiverse.

That's true.

Just like Marvel fans know that LT is second to TOAA in the Marvel Multiverse.

This isn't. There is no such statement regarding LT and he has far more low showings to consider him at that level.

Lol. Then you havent read abput the LT my friend. Which makes you weak in this thread.

Anyone can reach the power of he LT at a universal scale. However the Tribunal is always mkre powerful than anyone at a Multiversal scale!!! Thats how the Cosmic Hierchy is, go research if you dont believe me.

I've literally read every comic he has appeared in. He isn't that powerful.

Lol! LT ISNT A FUNCTION OF ETERNITY! Where did you got that? Lol. Otherwise, eternity responds to LT!

Ultimates 100. Read something for a change.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, she was. Read Avengers 503.

Where is that shown or suggested?

You don't know the difference between Disassembled and HoM?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's true.

This isn't. There is no such statement regarding LT and he has far more low showings to consider him at that level.

I've literally read every comic he has appeared in. He isn't that powerful.

Ultimates 100. Read something for a change.

Ultimates 100 doesn't say that LT is a function of Eternity. You're adding things not stated. LT serves a multiversal function. That was true before and after the 8th iteration. The very story you cite declares LT to be the most powerful being in creation and nothing in the story states nor implies that this changes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's true.

This isn't. There is no such statement regarding LT and he has far more low showings to consider him at that level.

I've literally read every comic he has appeared in. He isn't that powerful.

Ultimates 100. Read something for a change.

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Just like Michael and Lucifer represent the Presence, so does the Tribunal represents TOAA in Marvel.

Okay i don't know why you underestimate LT so much, but am gonna assume you have misinterpret him and provably misunderstood his powers and abilities.

The Tribunal has NEVER lost a case. Not over all.

If it is true that beings like Korvac or the Beyonder have challanged the authority of the LT that has been at a Universal scale.

Am gonna take time and EXPLAIN to you how the Tribunal works since it seems you have it wrong.

1): His role: He is the keeper of cosmic balance. As you may already know. As ive shown you already he stands second to TOAA and is his direct Representative in the Multiverse. Any being which breaks this balance (TOAAs) Balance, then the TRIBUNAL has omnipotent power to STOP/REFRAIN that being from breaking it and therefore bringing balance back.

2): How does he do this?: Now this is what YOU got completly wrong.
The Tribunal isn't a BOXER or a KILLING MACHINE. To keep cosmic balance doesn't necessary means that the LT has to kill the being causing it, or that he has to Destroy/erase him. The Living Tribunal has several ways of maintaining or restoring Cosmic Balance.

1: Creation of Pocket dimensions or Sealed universes: This is one of the ways the Tribunal ensures that being of "OMNIPOTENT" power don't disrupt the balance of the Multiverse. The tribunal can seal universes to prevent the "infection" to spread to other universes. Such as he did with Korvac or the Beyonder. Also some speculate that Dormammu can't come out of his reality because he was sealed by LT at a point in time.

2: Absorption of beings: Just as he did with Protege, The LT can absorb beings of "Omnipotent" power to prevent them from disrupting the balance.

3: Neutralization of powers: As seen when he cast judgement on Adam Warlock, the Living Tribunal can neutralize the powers of other universal/multiversal beings. Like when he neutralized the powers of the Infinity Gaunlet, the LT can do this, and therefore force beings to return to their normal duties.

4: Obliteration or Destruction of realites: This is something seldom done by the Tribunal. In some weird instances the Tribunal has claimed he has to Destroy the Reality to maintain cosmic balance. But i believe this is a very WEIRD and EXCEPTIONAL instance. Maybe he only does this when he feels really threatened. Like when Dr. Strange upset the Cosmic balance, the LT said that he had broken A LOT of rules, and that he needed to now Destroy earth and it's reality. But again this is SELDOM done but isn't something the LT can't do

3): LT powers and abilities:

Limitted Omnipotence: The LT is omnipotent, but he is limited by his own reason of existance. The Tribunal can't act outside his purpose. That's why he is neigh Omnipotent. HOWEVER once he is acting on his PURPOSE or JOB the Tribuna becomes OMNIPOTENT. I don't recall a single case in where the Tribunal lost to a case.

OMNIPRESENCE: this is another thing you have COMPLETELY wrong. The Tribunal is everywhere at the same time. He is in every reality and universe at the same time. Just because for instance Thanos defeated him with the HOTU that doesn't mean that the Tribunal is dead. That means that that Tribunal from that Universe died, but the Tribunal is still in existance in other realites and in the Multiverse as a whole.

So just because some beings have "DEFEATED" the LT doesn't mean that they have "WON". For those beings might have "DEFEATED" the LT in their UNIVERSE but the LT is still above them at a "MULTIVERSAL SCALE".

That's what i've been trying to tell you this whole time. The Tribunal can still come and Seal that particular universe and bring cosmic balance again.

So yeah.

THE LT IS SECOND TO TOAA!

I hope you appreciate the time i took to EXPLAIN to you how the Tribunal works and hope you can better understand his character. 😉 😄

ABHI just got educated.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI just got educated.

😆 😆

Thats why we make this threads in the end. To learn something.